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Did you know that President Obama and Senator Ted Kennedy are rushing a massive socialized healthcare plan through Congress -- with a final vote expected before August!

This Obama-Kennedy healthcare plan imposes $1.5 trillion in new taxes and forces Americans to “hand over” their health care decisions to politicians and bureaucrats. This nationalization of our health care system will cripple businesses and cause a massive increase in government control over our lives.

Is is me or does it seem as though we're heading toward becoming a Socialist Nation?

For more on how the so-called “Public Option” is really a “Government Co-option” of healthcare, go to:


We need to remain aware of maintaining the health freedoms we enjoy today. Choice is good.


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Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 11, 2009 at 12:12pm
to grace linda:
thank you, it is good to have my life. i've learned a lot and evolved it to a place where i am able to share a lot of information with many. and i'd be here for a long time listing all the things i'm grateful for...check out the 'wall of gratitude' group. living in gratitude is one way to live vibrantly. :-) i mean, it's easy to think of and jot down 3 things we're grateful for every day, right?

to your point, i suffered a head injury in a car accident where i was rear ended while stopped at a red light. that instant completely changed my life. i had to learn to speak and read and write and walk a straight line all over again. i lost much of my memory.

you're preaching to the choir.

i can tell you first hand all about the system, it's limits and how easy it is to fall through the cracks. they'll take your money, but play judge and jury of how much they will help you when it comes time for them to pay back what you've paid into their system for years.

i'm sorry for the loss of your friend. please understand that living vibrantly is not just about eating good food...yes, it's an excellent start, but vibrant, healthful living requires many lifestyle choices. members of the medical team who treated me for my injuries have made comments about how my state of excellent health at the time of the accident contributed to my ability to recover from and many issues more quickly. they were ALL completely astonished that don't take ANY prescription drugs. and i still don't.

when we become educated in our choices, we feel more inclined to want to maintain our freedom to make them for ourselves.

Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 11, 2009 at 11:43am
to dennis:
if a system, any system, doesn't work for everyone, it's not fair. it's that simple.

most people don't suffer from diseases, but we all need to maintain vibrant health. it is wise and prudent to become aware of how to treat ourselves, prevent disease and live well every day. a system to support and integrate these functions is 'fair' and long overdue.

this issue is not fear-based, rather reality-based. and 'universal health care' is not what this is about. it's 'disease management'. most people in the US do not suffer from diseases. that said, the programs which have been discussed by government for years are based in 'disease management' rather than 'wellness' and 'prevention'. most diseases are preventable, diabetes, obesity (they now called a 'disease'), cancer, there's a list.

why would the majority of people who are healthy pay into a system to fund surgeries and pharmaceuticals to those who just don't take care of themselves?

i'd rather see the funding used for health, wellness and disease prevention education programs. as a former teacher and corporate trainer, i see this being incorporated into the public education curriculum starting in kindergarten. parents need to be an active part of this program. i'd like to see private schools and companies integrate the same programs into their culture. to your point about 'benefiting the whole', this would save trillions in the long run.

it just takes a shift of consciousness to get it.
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 11, 2009 at 11:17am
to toby:
what was your role in health care? i'm interested in knowing more about your viewpoint. and going forward, please do not over-dramatize my position...i said nothing about the demise of civilization as we know it. there's enough real-life drama without creating more...agreed?
Comment by Dennis Carpenter on July 11, 2009 at 8:08am
It amazes me that people constantly use fear to prevent change. Fear of the loss of freedom, fear of gun control, fear of the world. Creating fear to create doubt is not productive.

Our health care system does work in many ways, but it is not a fair system for all of Americans. We forget that we have had many universal programs in the past that have been successful but were not fair to everyone. As an example, America lead the world with universal education by creating a system that taxed many who did not have a child and therefore they received no benefits from the successful education program. In affect that program took freedom away from some to benefit the whole.

If we could open our eyes and embrace the benefits of universal health care and quit crating fear to avoid it, we can all benefit and have a better society.
Comment by Will Colbert on July 11, 2009 at 7:54am
Dear OC Natural Doc(name?),
I pretty much agree with the important points you are making-and appreciate your comments.
I think most,if not all of us in America,would agree that our Health Systems/Programs need some kind of revision and improvements-but,as you say,and those who agree with you-NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF EACH OF US,WHERE THE GOVERNMENTS(Federal/State) are in control of any of the Health Programs.
I would think that the marriage between many Lawyers and Health Insurance Programs/Organizations needs to be changed and modified.Unfortunately-the costs that we have to pay for not only ourselves,but those who do not have Health/Medical Insurance has been inflated by selfishness and greediness by some of these who are connected with Health Insurance-whether they be Lawyers,Insurance Agencies and even some Medical Services.
If the Hospitals,Medical Organizations and Doctors didn't have to be concerned so much about unrealistic and unfair legal claims against them,then they could probably reduce their fees charged to groups and individuals considerably.
Something else that would help lower fees for Health Insurance and Medical Care would be more efficiency in/by all associated with Health Insurance and Medical Care-there is probably too much "overlapping"in all of these areas.
Thanks for the opportunity to share my views/opinions on this subject.
Comment by Grace Linda on July 11, 2009 at 4:16am
Wow, it must be nice to have your life. No, one is going to take your choice away, I suggest you turn off the talk radio for a bit. Then think on this, you or someone you love are just one car accident away from spinal injury, in which your insurance company will only cover about one years worth of physical therapy, which believe me is a joke. If you lose your job over this, you probably will lose your insurance, or if it is your child the cost for treatment and surgeries and drugs will bleed you dry. Insurance companies are so very good at finding reasons not to cover things you thought you were covered for. I spent two years billing all the major ones for patients that would look at me like a deer in headlights when i would tell them that they couldn't get this or that treatment. Rich, well insured people. If it is socialism in your mind that health insurance be about health and not money then I guess that is what they are doing.

Diet and exercise, can help it is true, but I witnessed a teacher of mine,a dancer, who never put any type of processed food in her mouth, was a vegetarian, be eaten away from cancer. Sure it took probably longer for her to die because she started out super healthy, but she died nonetheless.

"There but for the grace of God go I" I am not even Christian and I know this.
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 11, 2009 at 12:46am
to toby...
so, socialism is ok with you? no freedom? no choice?

you asked what i suggest -- i don't know your health history (or anything else about you), so i am unable to help you with that decision. i don't know why you would even need health insurance, although i do understand having catastrophic insurance.

however, i suggest people eat high quality foods, drink plenty of clean water, rest/sleep, exercise, pray/meditate, eliminate pre-packaged and processed foods, eliminate food additives...there's a list on lagunanaturalhealth.blogspot.com. these things may sound too simple or old fashioned, but they are the time-honored protocols that promote wellness.

here's my question to you:
are you interested in a "wellness" program or a "disease management" program?
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 11, 2009 at 12:34am
to zendog....
i agree, the system needs serious revision, but not at the expense (freedoms and financially) of our citizens. this is not a political party issue, it's a personal freedom and health issue.

did you even bother to click the link and read the information?
Comment by ZenDog on July 10, 2009 at 4:56pm
ya ya. You cannot simultaneously crunch granola and vote repelican. It just doesn't make any sense. Nice try though.

You don't have to face the fact that the health care system is FUCKED UP. I mean, hey, you are an American and entitled to your opinion.

So, umm, what is the percentage of Insurance Company Administrative Costs on the over all health care expense again?

Ya know, there really has been no excuse to vote repelican since 11/22/63.

Comment by Red One on July 10, 2009 at 4:30pm
I agree with everything you say. They need to work on creating jobs in this country, not health care reform and cap and tax. This government is out of control.



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