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The Health Care Reform Bill that narrowly passed the House of Representatives is now being considered by the Senate. The following are quoted excerpts from the House version that was sent to the Senate. Read them and it will be crystal clear why President Obama is insisting that the
Senate pass the bill before they leave on a Congressional vacation.

Although he admitted at a White House press conference yesterday on July 22, that he had not "read the bill", it is obvious his advisors are afraid that if the Senators go home before voting on it and the people find out what is really in it, that it will not pass.

These are direct excerpts from the House version ....

Page 22: The federal government will be empowered to audit the books of any corporation that self-insures.

Page 29, Lines 4-16: All health care will be rationed based on age, the present health of any patient and the availability of health services and supplies.

Page 30, Sections 1-3: A government committee will decide what treatments or benefits will be made available under the health care that will be provided. It will be illegal to provide any medical benefits to anyone that haven't been pre-approved by the committee.

Page 42: A Health Choices Commissioner will be appointed by the President and will choose what health services will be provided to each patient.

Page 50, Section 152: Healthcare will be provided to all Non-U.S. citizens within the borders of the United States, illegal or otherwise.

Page 58: The Health Choices Commissioner's Office will have real time access two every medical patient's financial records and all citizens will be issued and be required to have on their person at all times a National ID Health card.

Page 59: (Continuation of Page 58) The Government will have direct access to all bank accounts and electronic transfer accounts of patients.

Page 65, Section 164: Subsidization for retirees of Unions and ACORN

Page 72, Lines 8-14: Brings all health care HMO and private insurance plans under government control.

Page 84: Section 203: All benefit packages for private health care plans will be under the control of the government.

Page 85, Line 7: The Health Choices Commissioner will specify what benefits will be allowable under private health care plans.

Page 95: Community Action Groups (ACORN and Americorps) will be authorized to sign up citizens for the Government Health Care Plan.



Page 102, Lines 12-18: All Medicaid eligible recipients will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. They will have no choice.

Page 124, Lines 24-25: All government suppliers and contractors are exempt from price fixing lawsuits. "Judicial Review" is prohibited.

Page 126, Lines 22-25: Employers must pay for the health care for any part-time employees AND their families.

Page 127, Lines 1-16: The government will set salaries for all doctors.

Page 145, Lines 15-17: An employee will be required to automatically enroll all employees in the public option plan. The employee will not have any choice in the matter.



Page 149, Lines 16-24: Any employer with a payroll of $400,000 or more who does not provide a public option, will be required to pay the government 8% surtax on the payroll.

Page 150, Lines 9-13: Any employer with a payroll between $251,000 and $400,000 who doesn't provide a public option will be required to pay a 6% surtax on their payroll.

Page 179, Lines 1-3: Any non-resident Alien is EXEMPT from individual health care taxes.

Page 195: All officers and employees of the Health Care administration will have unlimited access to the financial and personal records of ALL American citizens without the necessity of a search warrant.

Page 203, Lines 14-15: (The following is a direct quote!) "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax." (Presumably therefore it cannot be deducted on income tax returns)

Page 239, Lines 14-24: The government will reduce physician services for Medicaid, thereby rationing medical support for the poor.

Page 241, Lines 6-8: All doctors will be paid equally, with no regard to specialty of training required.



Page 253, Lines 10-18: The Health Care administration will decide the value of the time of physicians, professional judgment, etc.

Page 265 Section 1131: The Health Care administration will control and mandate productivity for private health care industries, nursing services, hospice, retirement centers, drug production, etc.

Page 268, Section 1141: The Health Care administration will regulate the rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

Page 272, Section 1145: The Health Care administration will determine what treatment will be provided at Cancer hospitals and will ration treatment based on type and the classification of a patient.

Page 280, Section 1151: The government will penalize hospitals if they exceed their quota of "preventable readmissions."

Page 298, Lines 9-11: If doctors treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission to the hospital, the government will penalize the patient.

Page 317-318, Lines 21-25: The government will be authorized to tell physicians what they can own and how much, and can audit their personal records without a warrant.

Page 317-318, Lines 21-25: Hospitals will not be permitted to expand their physical facilities.

Page 321, Lines 2-13: Hospitals wanting to expand may appeal for an exception to the expansion rule, but community approval is required through community action agencies (ie: ACORN)

Page 341, Lines 3-9: The government has the authority to disqualify Medicare supplemental plans, HMO, private insurance plans, etc., which will force all citizens into the government plan.

Page 354, Section 1177: The government will restrict enrollment of "Special Needs" patients
(ie: Downs Syndrome, Speech Therapy, handicapped, etc.)

Page 379, Section 1191: The government will create a Telehealth Advisory Committee which will provide health advice by phone.

Page 425, Lines 4-12: An "Advance Planning Care Consultant" Department will be created.
Think 'End of Life' for Senior Citizens.

Page 425, Lines 22-25: (Page 426: Lines 1-3): The Government will provide a list of end of life resources that will guide senior citizens to their death.

Page 427, Lines 15-24: The government will mandate orders for end of life actions. In brief, the government will decide how life ends.

Page 429, Lines 1-9: An "Advance Care Planning Consultant" will be used more frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.

Page 429, Lines 10-12: The "Advance Care Planning Consultant" will include the authority for "End of Life" plans, on an order from the government.

Page 429, Lines 13-25: The government will specify which doctors will have the authority to sign an "End of Life" Order.

Page 430, Lines 11-15: The government will decide what level of treatment patients will receive at the end of their lives.

Page 469: Medical services and nursing for home-based patients will be provided by "Community-based organizations." (ACORN, etc.)

Page 472, Lines 14-17: Such community based organizations will be paid by the government once each month based on the number of patients they serve. Such organizations will not be required to employ registered or practical nursing professionals.

Page 489, Section 1308: Marriages and divorces will not be authorized unless the couple subjects themselves to marriage and family therapy.

Page 494-498: All Mental Health Services will be provided by the government including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

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..... Remember .... these are just excerpts from the House version jammed through the House by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)

It might be better entitled "Soylent Green - 2009"

or

"The Death Sentence Bill for Grandparents, the infirm, and the Handicapped".

Incidentally, on the front page of the Tulsa World (July 23 issue) the President was quoted as saying in a press conference ......

"This isn't about me. I have great health insurance, and so does every member of Congress."

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Your post was a very long rant I may have skipped some of it .
Kathy, I've listened to Obama and what he says doesn't always go with what he does. We pushed the stimulus package through and then found out it was used to pay for bonuses. Why can't Obama be more patient and let everyone read it this time? Why can't we make changes now, before it is passed? What's the rush? He still has 3 1/2 yrs in office. Let us be sure this is what we want and not have regrets afterward.

My husband is from Holland and he says that all the problems we will have with it is true such as: long waiting list; productivity/age selection which means that productive people will be treated as a priority as to retired or poor unproductive individuals; quality of care is less expensive, but there will be no choice of hospital or doctor; no choice in medications, because the doctor will prescribe brand or generic or even just an over-the-counter remedy; if you are overweight and realize that you need a knee replacement you will be told that you must lose weight first and we all know how hard that is and yet you can't loose weight because it hurts to work-out; if you are depressed the doctor may tell you to change your lifestyle - go for walks or swim etc....

Think about it people is this what you want?
Our generation is not old enough to know about the promises made with Social Security benefits, but we do know that we are still paying and there will be little if no money for our generation. Had it only stayed purely for retirement we might have been okay, but what did they do with our parents money and now ours?

I am tired of all the promises, all the cover ups and all the cheating of "we the people" while the gov't gets fatter.
I say go for it. Tired of children dying as insurance companies that only care about their profits and profit margin deny medications that are perfectly appropriate. Our future leaders deserve a future that is healthy. We have to start somewhere...let this be it and move forward.Respectfully agree to disagree. If I truly had it my way I would insure all the children. Skip the adults.Let them figure themselves out. Kids depend on us completely. Let's not shaft them before they have a chance in life.
HI PAM!
Hi Kathy, nice to see you here. I don't know of any children who today are without healthcare, do you? I have two grandchildren on medicaid and have no problems getting their needs taken care of. Show me the kids that are going without it. I know for a fact that here in Texas hospitals do not turn away kids. Maybe we need to make some changes, but I truly don't want the gov't to run our healthcare or anything else for that matter.
Either we pay now, or pay a lot more later! The Pres is right, medical decisions should not be based on the fiscal whims of accountants, lawyers, and insurance company doctors with selfish agendas. We the People means everyone, regardless of wheter or not 'I' think it is equitable. The reality is health care cost are through the roof, an so are the profits of the HMO's, and drug companies. Who justify their ridiculous premiums on "your" money "they" invested and lost (like everyone else) in the market. You gamble, you loose; Not you gamble and everyone else has to loose!
So, if "kids depend on us completely" and if we "skip the adults", what happens to the children then? We kind of need both the adults and the children to keep our society afloat. KBeenThere, I don't think you have 'been there'; otherwise, you might rethink what giving up the Constitution, our freedoms, our choices, our privacy would do to our children. So, yes, "let's NOT shaft them before they have a chance in life". Let's let them grow up to know what living in a free country is really like. This kind of health bill is NOT "moving forward" . . . it is taking us back, wayyyyyyyyyy back! IMHO.

What the government wants to do is remove choices, and thus freedoms, from the American people, have further or complete access to our personal lives, and then dictate our lifestyles. We will not be able to sue nurses, doctors or hospitals anymore, because they will, as government employees, be "exempt", so accountability will be even more a thing of the past.

We will also, initially, have physicians leaving their practices en mass (until the older doctors die off and no one remembers what it once was like to have payment commiserate with one's education and experience, and to actually control one's own practice and destiny).

Then socialism will be "acceptable" and unquestioned by the sheep, and the sheep herders will be smiling at their having fooled the American people once again, grooming and choosing a President who is not "for" the people, but actually "against" the people and "for" the government. This government has an agenda alright, and it's not even "hidden". Sad.
BULL CRAP
The fact that being very heavy could impact something like a replacement knee is pretty much self evident. My doctor, whom I chose, councils me to stop smoking and get more exercise. This is part of his job to be sure, promote a lifestyle that would cost the medical plan here less money..
Then again by following this advice I could live longer, live better and enjoy my life more.
I've been watching this bill being debated on t.v. and it seems that alot of my questions are being debated. Please be in prayer for the Senate as they disect this mess.
The "rush" is that obama is the front man for another man or men the lead guy being George Soros. You think population control is scary....google George Soros.

What's going on is the consolidation of power and money into a few billionaires hands, most of whom are foreigners. What's happening has been planned for a long time. Proof? Follow the money.

Let me play you this scene.....

The banks won't loan money not because they don't have any but because they don't know who can or can't repay. Really? In this age of computers....amazing. So small business, that has driven the economy, can't stay in business without capital, so they cut costs re: as cutting jobs, health care, inventory etc. The ripple effect has consequences as massive layoffs later, the o rolls out his healthcare initiative ostensibly to make sure we're all covered. Read that as to make sure his cronies can force us to take a chip implant and control our lives. Oh yeah, meanwhile the really big business companies are taking bailout money (payola for screwing up the economy) and giving out bonuses(hush money to key players).

Folks money doesn't just disappear, it is transferred from one location to another. Follow the money and you'll see where we're going.

Scary doesn't begin to describe what is waiting on the other side of hope and change you can believe in. Fact is you won't believe it when the hopey changey thing morphs into something else. The alarms were sounded but the most didn't want to hear it. I'm one of the ones who can say "I TOLD YOU SO!"

Are you still hoping for change? Here's what you can look forward to and yes I will be able to say again, "I TOLD YOU SO."

Are you ready? The government bailout for the auto industry seems to be turning things around sooner rather than later. Dems don't have their health plan and we the people are threatening their hopes. So look for the cash for clunkers to suddenly disappear, oops happening already. If the housing market starts to turn for the better then look for that stimulus money to disappear too. Meanwhile back in DC things are still in a stalemate by the time Oct rolls around. Look for the swine flu to be trotted out as making an argument for nationalized healthcare, you ain't heard nothing yet. Oh call me crazy but I think this swine flu could be man made, man released for the dems purposes. Crazy? Remember Soros, a billionaire socialist with buddies of like mind...oh yeah right he's pure as the wind driven snow. Ok enough kool aid. If the swine flu doesn't do the trick the o has a trump card up his sleeve...ready for this one?

With inflation looming on the horizon and our national debt ballooning, look for the o to default on our debt thereby causing a monetary catastrophe the likes of which we've never seen. We don't have enough underwear to change into when this one comes. But the o will have what he wants because when you can't eat, pay your bills, get your meds, drive your car, heat your house, get the medical care you need, and you're tired of burying your older relatives..... You'll accept anything. Don't take it from me folks....you were told so 9 months ago....look where we are. I don't think I'll be around to say it again in 9 months. I'll be too busy trying to survive.....

Oh and you might want to stay out of the cities. When hope and change turns into despair and hopelessness you don't want to be caught day or night in the cities. B_lls__t you say? Is your pulse still beating? Have you read about the increase in gang shootings with "racial overtones", have you seen the increase in desperate robberies? Stick around.....

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