“Some might say that we are actually in the ‘Wizard of Oz’ land.”
— Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.)
TBD on Ning
If you like your health care, you can keep it PERIOD
Well well my liberal apologist friends. Seems like the president has been caught in a huge lie. For the past 5 years liberals have been providing cover for the dishonest statements the president has made. There is NO CONFUSION on this. Now we have the white House admitting it!!! So how many other lies have you believed? Benghazi was a spontaneous reaction to a You Tube video? He didn't know anything about the IRS targeting tea party groups? He didn't know anything about the NSA spying?
NBC News reported Monday that sources deeply involved in ObamaCare concede that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to have coverage canceled in the next year.
Can you imagine the howling in this group if Bush had done this?
http://nypost.com/2013/10/29/white-house-finally-admits-obamacare-t...
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Permalink Reply by A4L on
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What is wrong with lying?
There are no principles that are too sacred to break when it comes to left wing agendas, it would seem.I somehow remember someone saying that the ends justifies the means was wrong and applied it to conservatives.
Is it wrong for both cases or only for those that are ideologically contrary?
I believe that it is wrong and "F" the parties. It is not a party that matters it is core principles that matter.
Representatives are supposed to represent the ones that they work for, and not the other way around. They are "public servants." if it is more important to push your agenda through then to act in the interests of those that you serve, then you switch the roles to the effect that the public now must act to serve those in power.
It ain't my cup of tea.
Show me how this lines up with the Constitution. The oath to uphold and defend the Constitution is still what is sworn to. How does this type of governing honor such a just commitment?
Freedom of speech is also a principle promoted and honored in the Constitution.That would be what I would like to exercise.
Wonder if this is still valued by most people?We'll see...
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Permalink Reply by exedir on
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Ah. not a lie, just misspoke, was badly informed, a no longer operative statement, happens all the time, maybe too often...
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Permalink Reply by base2final on
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The liberals are very very quiet.
Politicians have a tendency to over promise and lie. That being said, the President MUST be held to a higher standard or the office degrades to.........what it is now.
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Permalink Reply by ProblemAgain on
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always enlightening how some folks portray themselves as reasonable and wanting discussions till another member of their tribe shows up and then the slogans begin...'left wing agenda'? as tho orders come from the rooshians or them red chineee...you disappoint me ben...and cod is his usual self...he can't disappoint since my expectations of him are so abysmally low...it takes a fool to use any of murdoch's possessions as proof of anything. yep that murdoch who not only owns the nypost but also fox with it's news and the wall street journal which he has turned into a rag. they all have something in common- all their journalistic efforts depend upon halftold stories and conspiracy theory to 'prove' that the sky is falling...anonymous sources...really? and add to the mix...just how is the govt supposed to keep private insurance companies from doing whatever the f they want regarding their policies? they don't want to adjust their policies to expand the mandated coverage? they cancel them...which means the policies pretty much sucked to begin with. this crap is as great as the moron who told me he wasn't on govt health insurance ..he was on medicare.
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Your last comment made me laugh problem. That was good.
I see myself as reasonable and I do want discussions. I used left wing agenda, to describe what I think it is. We can call it pink pajamas if you like, it doesn't matter to me. The point is that I believe that it seems quite apparent that the 2600 page bill was about increasing government's hand print and grasp in a dramatically and decided way, and not just about health care. And saying things that are not true to get you where you want to go ain't kosher!
And why would it stop if no one points it out and complains about it or holds people accountable?
Got to go now
Try to catch up again later.
And I don't mean to disappoint.
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well problem would you believe NBC, MSNBC, or Huffington? Would you like links to them or would you rather put you head in the sand and be a denier? You're a real piece of work. That great moron you speak of Problem is probably one of the uninformed democrat voters that voted for Obama. maybe they also got an Obamaphone.
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yes he did...but he is a republican tea party person who hates obama..and he hates all them black welfare queens just like you. oh and by the way...them obamaphones were put into place by bush junior as an extension of reagan's lifeline legislation from back in the good old days, remember? funny how it's always the other guy who doesn't deserve the govt money but you do....like food stamps are terrible but agricultural supports that go to adm and cargill are simply wunnerful....and tax breaks for walmart are wunnerful...or as romney said we shouldn't tax dividends.....but the 4 waltons on the top 10 of forbes richest list so far this year have gotten 1.4 BILLION in dividends and it ain't even christmas yet....
and you think the office degraded from having actions such as the bush administration sending colin powell to the un with information that was false to call for a military action ? it has degraded from having dick cheney in charge of privatizing the military and halliburton and kbr end up making BILLIONS....please ....tell me more about your sliding scale of ethics?
we already know what you are
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- Dana Milbank
- Opinion Writer
Kathleen Sebelius vs. a party without a brain
“I’ll get you, my pretty, and your little dog, too.”
— the Wicked Witch of the West
Like the Scarecrow, whoever came up with House Republicans’ plan to deal with Kathleen Sebelius on Wednesday didn’t have a brain.
It was their big chance to flambé the secretary of Health and Human Services and the person who has overseen the disastrous launch of Obamacare. Instead, they wound up casting her as Judy Garland’s Dorothy.
“In ‘The Wizard of Oz,’ there is a great line,” Barton, one of the first Republican questioners, informed Sebelius, a former two-term governor of Kansas. “Dorothy at some point in the movie turns to her little dog, Toto, and says, ‘Toto, we’re not in Kansas anymore.’ Well, Madam Secretary, while you’re from Kansas, we’re not in Kansas anymore.”
Thus began several references, each more painful than the last, to Oz, Kansas, following the yellow brick road, pulling back the curtain, the wonderful things the Wizard does — and, for good measure, something about Chicken Little, although he did not appear in the 1939 classic.
And, sure enough, the Republicans on the House Energy and Commerce Committee went after Sebelius like so many flying monkeys. But — spoiler alert! — the film doesn’t turn out well for Dorothy’s persecutors, and the hearing, likewise, didn’t turn out to be the humiliation for Sebelius that Republicans had in mind. Dorothy melted the Wicked Witch with a bucket of water; Sebelius doused her questioners with an unexpected and extended confession of responsibility.
“Access to HealthCare.gov has been a miserably frustrating experience for way too many Americans,” she said in her opening statement. “So let me say directly to these Americans: You deserve better. I apologize. I’m accountable to you for fixing these problems. And I’m committed to earning your confidence back by fixing the site.”
This was a sneaky and dastardly thing for her to do: sneaky, because it wasn’t in the advance testimony she gave the committee, and dastardly, because in today’s Washington, any acceptance of responsibility is so rare that the Republicans — who were counting on her evading and deflecting — were caught off-guard.
Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) seemed not to have heard the secretary’s apology. “You’re now blaming it on the contractors and saying it’s Verizon’s fault,” she said.
“Let me be clear. I’m not pointing fingers at Verizon,” Sebelius said. “We own the site.”
Blackburn pressed Sebelius to tell her who led the team overseeing the project, and when Sebelius provided it, Blackburn pounced. “Michelle Snyder is the one responsible for this debacle?”
“Michelle Snyder is not responsible for the debacle,” Sebelius said. “Hold me accountable for the debacle. I’m responsible.”
Rep. Gregg Harper (R-Miss.) declined this offer. “The president is ultimately responsible for the rollout,” he declared.
“No, sir. We are responsible for the rollout,” Sebelius replied.
After more such back and forth, Harper insisted: “While I think it’s great that you’re a team player and taking responsibility, it is the president’s ultimate responsibility, correct?”
“You clearly — whatever,” Sebelius said, allowing herself a rare moment of exasperation. “Yes, he is the president. He is responsible for government programs.”
Otherwise, Sebelius, in a gray pinstriped jacket, her white hair well-coiffed and her fingernails manicured, was generally poised, keeping her voice measured even though Republican lawmakers took photos of her with their phones, and their staff members, lined up against a wall, laughed and applauded when their bosses scored points.
She bluntly refused their requests to fire one of her deputies (“I will not, sir”), to make enrollment voluntary for the first year (“No, sir”) and to hand over enrollment numbers (“No, sir”). She answered mildly even as a red-faced Rep. Billy Long (Mo.) and a furious Rep. Cory Gardner (Colo.) demanded that she drop her health-care coverage and join an Obamacare exchange (she pointed out that the law wouldn’t allow it). She did not respond to Blackburn’s contention that Obamacare had deprived people of having a health plan that is “a Ford, not a Ferrari” or a “red Solo cup and not a crystal stem.”
But many of her interrogators were unusually mild, probably disarmed by Sebelius’s self-criticism. “I told the president that we were ready to go. Clearly I was wrong,” she admitted. “No one ever imagined the volume of issues and problems that we’ve had.”
After 31 / 2 hours of Fords and Ferraris and “Wizard of Oz” references, Sebelius finally got to go home. But she had the power to do so all along: All she had to do was click her heels together three times and think, “There’s no place like the House.”
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Permalink Reply by LoveLife&Laughter on
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Just like killing ~5000 American soldiers for WMD, isn't it?
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sureeeeeee a glitched website is almost exactly the same as 10 years of war in two different countries and around 4700 dead americans with another nearly 35,000 wounded...at a cost of about 4 trillion dollars...and all due to a false assumption, if not an outright falsehood.
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Hey, they have to work with what they got. Which isn't much lol...
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oh and this was just posted....
Healthcare.gov
I just was on the Obamacare site, we set up an account for my daughter, got information, chatted with a guy, got the number for customer service so that we can ask questions. It was nowhere near as bad as the media and the Republicans are portraying.
If you need healthcare, call! I should have done that first.
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