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Permalink Reply by Dennis Barsten on
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Permalink Reply by ProblemAgain on
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absolute bullshit.....americans were taxed indirectly by customs and excise taxes....so you just think they got to keep 100 per cent of their earnings....and they still had fees and property taxes same as today... you, cod/saltie, are a troll or simply stupid
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Permalink Reply by P.A. on
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Why can we not reply to the other BS Mr. Salt posted under the heading "how are we doing?
As for this post it is just pure ignorance. Of course people paid taxes before 1913 but the poor paid a disproportionate percentage. The income tax solved that problem for many years until the current crop of ignorant republicans came along with Ronald Raygun. -
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why would you want to? i was under the impression he had been ejected for ignoring repeated warnings about calling names..(remember "liberal assholes"?) discussions with saltie are pointless. when he does show up, it is with the latest brainfuck bumpersticker sent in emails and those ignore facts or obfuscate inconvenient facts to 'prove' that there are conspiracies and plots. must be quite exhausting to keep current on the lists of conspiracies and who the enemies are...
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it's a good thing you didn't....but then he knows anyway
self-knowledge...or maybe he doesn't...
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Permalink Reply by LoveLife&Laughter on
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Oh really?
The nation had few taxes in its early history. From 1791 to 1802, the United States government was supported by internal taxes on distilled spirits, carriages, refined sugar, tobacco and snuff, property sold at auction, corporate bonds, and slaves. The high cost of the War of 1812 brought about the nation's first sales taxes on gold, silverware, jewelry, and watches. In 1817, however, Congress did away with all internal taxes, relying on tariffs on imported goods to provide sufficient funds for running the government.
In 1862, in order to support the Civil War effort, Congress enacted the nation's first income tax law. It was a forerunner of our modern income tax in that it was based on the principles of graduated, or progressive, taxation and of withholding income at the source. During the Civil War, a person earning from $600 to $10,000 per year paid tax at the rate of 3%. Those with incomes of more than $10,000 paid taxes at a higher rate. Additional sales and excise taxes were added, and an “inheritance” tax also made its debut. In 1866, internal revenue collections reached their highest point in the nation's 90-year history—more than $310 million, an amount not reached again until 1911.
The Act of 1862 established the office of Commissioner of Internal Revenue. The Commissioner was given the power to assess, levy, and collect taxes, and the right to enforce the tax laws through seizure of property and income and through prosecution. The powers and authority remain very much the same today.
In 1868, Congress again focused its taxation efforts on tobacco and distilled spirits and eliminated the income tax in 1872. It had a short-lived revival in 1894 and 1895. In the latter year, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that the income tax was unconstitutional because it was not apportioned among the states in conformity with the Constitution.
In 1913, the 16th Amendment to the Constitution made the income tax a permanent fixture in the U.S. tax system.
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isn't that like saying water is wet?
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You'd think you'd wonder how the state / fed governments paid for all this ~ the money grew on trees?
I didn't include why the "Federation" was dissolved ~ the country couldn't depend on money from the states.
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Some people read history,
Some think they are reading history,
While us others know history...
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just as an example....take one 'factoid', hammer it out of shape and distort it to fit your agenda and 'report the hidden dastardly conspiracy' to braindead, mouthbreathing, unquestioning fans
Glenn Beck Eviscerates MSNBC Promo Claiming Your Kids Belong to the ‘Whole Community’ — and Makes Some Scary Connections
By Erica Ritz | The Blaze – 55 mins agoMore From
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Glenn Beck opened his radio show Monday in a state of near disbelief over an MSNBC promo where anchor Melissa Harris-Perry calmly explains how your children don't really belong to you -- they belong to the collective.
"It's almost a parody of reality," Beck said of the clip. "It is so far beyond what we have ever thought as a nation, it's remarkable..."
For those who haven't seen the advertisement, Harris-Perry says:
We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we've always had kind of a private notion of children. Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven't had a very collective notion of these are our children. So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. [Emphasis added]
Watch the ad below, via Newsbusters:
Beck spent roughly an hour of his program breaking down the promo, and how it connects to the larger issues today.
First, he explained why the ad shouldn't be dismissed, and how it will be "so appealing" to a startling percentage of the population:
"...The idea behind this is going to be so appealing to so many people. So many people are going to say, 'I love that.' Because I'm freaked out. I don't know what to do with my kids... They're unruly. They're whatever. I don't know what to do. And so the State will relieve you of that.
And I think that there's a good 20 to 30% of America, maybe even higher now, I'm not sure, [that] will gladly have the State take that over so they don't have to worry about it. Yet another one of your responsibilities taken from you -- I'm sorry. Another one of your responsibilities that you will gladly hand over because you don't know what to do. And so they will do it for you: Don't worry! We'll raise your kids. We'll train your kids. We'll educate your kids because it's working out so well... [Emphasis added]
"This is exactly what we warned about," Beck said. "This is the fulfillment of so many things that we have said on this program."
Beck referenced Agenda 21, which emphasizes "the collective" over the individual, noting that it's been branded a conspiracy theory among adults while children are learning about it in school.
But while the notion has been reserved largely for theoretical papers thus far, Beck claimed it is growing legs in America's academic curriculum and connected it to the concerns recently raised about two such program called Common Core and CSCOPE:
"It's already being implemented with Common Core. It's already been implemented here in Texas with CSCOPE. You don't have a right to see as a parent what your children are learning. You go to a Texas school and say, "Let me see the curriculum." You can't. "Let me see that test that you are teaching through CSCOPE." You can't. You're a parent. You don't have a right to know.
And this is not some kooky panelist misspeaking, Beck noted. This is a pre-planned promotion that had to go through layers of approval and planning.
"Here's our point of view -- that your children don't belong to you," Beck said in amazement. But more than that, "this is an organization that had its hosts meeting with the president regularly," co-host Stu Burguiere noted.
From there, Beck read excerpts from a stunning 2012 article in Pravda, which used to be the official paper of the USSR.
"Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama... Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them," it says.
The article continues: "They read history in America don't they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents."
"Wow," was all the co-hosts could say.
But in some ways, they concluded, the controversial ad is actually a good thing. While many would have preferred to see a more moderate tone from the popular news network, at least they're being honest.
"I told you there would come a time when they would show you their true colors," Beck said.
http://news.yahoo.com/glenn-beck-eviscerates-msnbc-promo-claiming-k...
looks serious right?? and after all it was on yahoo....(roll eyes) but the blaze IS glenn beck...he owns it...
TheBlaze (website)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia(Redirected from The Blaze (web site))TheBlaze 
URL TheBlaze.com Slogan "Truth Lives Here" [1] Commercial? Yes Type of site News and opinion Owner Mercury Radio Arts (Glenn Beck) Created by Glenn Beck
Betsy Morgan, president[2]
Scott Baker, editor-in-chiefEditor Scott Baker Launched August 31, 2010 Current status Active TheBlaze is a conservative news and opinion website owned by American media personality and former CNN Headline News and Fox News host Glenn Beck's Mercury Radio Arts. The entity is affiliated with the television network TheBlaze. The website launched on August 31, 2010. According to Beck, the site took two months to design.[3] At launch, the site's chief editor was Scott Baker, with its associate editor/video producer Pam Key and with Jon Seidl and Meredith Jessup as reporters. Key is known for her blog, Naked Emperor News: Smoking Gun Video and Images. Baker is a former Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, broadcast journalist who previously worked at The Huffington Post and Breitbart TV. Seidl, of the Manhattan Institute, previously worked at the American Spectator. Jessup previously worked at Townhall.com. Journalists joining The Blaze later included S. E. Cupp, David Harsanyi and Billy Hallowell.
first of all....curriculums are not secret....you can even attend school board meetings and pta functions...parent-teacher nights...give some of those teaparty functions a miss and go actually talk to your kid's teachers.....wow what a concept!....
agenda 21 does exist...but as usual the right wing pissants go mental whenever anything is mentioned involving the un. agenda 21 is a VOLUNTARY move in the direction of sustainable economic development...the idea is to try to eradicate poverty and conserve resources...perhaps that bit about conserving resources might be what sets the money machinery in back of the right wing in motion...
Agenda 21
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAgenda 21 
Cover of the first edition (paperback)Author(s) United Nations Cover artist United Nations (1992) Country United States Language English, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, French, Spanish Genre(s) Non-fiction Publisher United Nations Publication date April 23, 1993 Media type Print (Paperback) & HTML Pages 300 pp ISBN 978-92-1-100509-7 Agenda 21 is a proposal of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development. It is a product of the UN Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, in 1992. It is an action agenda for the UN, other multilateral organizations, and individual governments around the world that can be executed at local, national, and global levels. The "21" in Agenda 21 refers to the 21st century. It has been affirmed and modified at subsequent UN conferences. The International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives says that it is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan. [1]
that stunning pravda article is referenced as tho it was a journalists product. it isn't...it is an opinion column written by a far right winger just packed full of accusations without merits and buzzwords to crank up the silly people
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama...
and that's why examining issues with some right wingers is like discussing recipes with a pig....there will be no meeting of the minds even as far as what facts are.
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