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Why Obama's Health Care Reform Will Destroy US Jobs and Devastate the Economy

If you want to know why U.S. businesses increasingly outsource jobs to other countries, just add up the cost of doing business in America: As an employer, you have to pay not only higher wages than most other countries, but you also have to pay for the lost productivity and missed days due to the astonishingly poor health of the U.S. workforce.

Now, under the new Obama health care reform bill, you'll have to pay an additional eight percent of your payroll as a new tax to cover the costs of Big Government running its new sick-care system where nobody gets healthy, but everybody gets hammered with new taxes.

For details on how we can cut our health care costs by 90 percent, go to:
http://www.naturalnews.com/026643_health_health_care_America.html

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Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 19, 2009 at 6:13pm
Po-ta-to, po-tahh-toh.
You and i are saying basically the same thing.

Since you're an allopath (and perhaps use our current insurance system), how do you feel about surcharging patients with preventable diseases - obesity, type II diabetes, etc. - as a step to lower costs? I know it sounds harsh, but why should healthy people be mandated to pay into a system due to someone else's bad choices? And that goes for smoking and substance abuse, too, as they contribute to many preventable diseases. I realize that some people reading this will be upset, but think about it from the other side. How do you suppose someone who was sick at one time, or used drugs/alcohol, or smoked would feel if they became educated in improving their health, turned themselves around and enjoy good health, but are forced to pay a premium for those who don't care about themselves...or are too lazy...or don't want to be educated...or just like their low quality lifestyle?

It's unfair. And mandating insurance is a violation of the freedom we enjoy in this country.

There's been much discussion of late in the allopathic community (Dr Mehmet Oz, Dr Mark Hyman, Dr Dean Ornish, Dr Andy Weil) how 'heredity' doesn't play as much of a role in disease as once thought -- so that argument has lost it steam and validity to a great degree.

It has been said that if people get themselves healthy, the insurance, medical and pharmaceutical industries fear they will lose money. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, "get creative" about making money (like everyone else has to do these days), and do so in the name of health, integrity and with the best interest in mind of the pubic. We all know that drugs to not cure disease...they are designed to treat symptoms. Drugs can manage disease to a degree. But if people are living healthfully, they won't need them. Maybe that's where the fear comes in.

If we're really talking about a true "Health Care" plan, we should be focused on creating a system of wellness rather than sickness. I'll explain:
• Vibrant health is about making high quality lifestyle choices. It's that simple. Educate people how to make good choices and they're more likely to enjoy optimum health, including high quality foods, sound sleep, prayer/meditation, etc. It's about the basics.
• Should we become ill or injured, you guys (allopaths) know how to take us apart and put us back together. It's what you do best.

I'm a big fan of integrative medicine. Allopathy and Naturopathy are different schools of thought and are completely different schools of training. Both have their place, and are best used in concert to fully serve the public in all health-related matters. Making optimum daily life choices are what we should be focusing on to truly help the public take a healthful step up.
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 18, 2009 at 7:08pm
Jacquin,
Are you referring to this Obama plan that doesn't exist?
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?StoryId=%7BE142CF07-1D59-49...

It would appear you've chosen not to read the previously posted information, including the links.

Here are the Cliff Notes:
• This plan isn't about "health care"...it's about "disease care".
• It's unfair for healthy people to be required to pay into a system when they take care of themselves.
• People who live in countries with socialized medicine aren't happy....and their quality of care has declined.

If you've come here to condescend, don't. It's disrespectful to everyone...especially those who've done their homework.

But feel free to return with an educated contribution.
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 18, 2009 at 11:56am
If she tried to administer Gardasil, she was pissed cuz it meant an additional $360 in her pocket, minus the $120 doctors cost for the Gardasil product. Here's more:
http://health.howstuffworks.com/gardasil-availability.htm

i don't begrudge anyone making a living, but to do so in a way that's greedy is unconscionable -- and especially as a doctor, to do somthing that's not in the patient's best interest, is criminal. Has the Hippocratic Oath become the "hypocritc" oath? File that under "Michael Jackson", "Anna Nicole", "Elvis"...it's a growing file cabinet. Although this has been going on for decades, it doesn't mean that it's an acceptable standard of practice. Rather, people are lazy, indifferent or too scared to do something to fix the mess.

The whole Gardasil thing just pisses me off -- the thought that ALL nine year old girls will me mandated to have a toxic vaccine for the purpose of not getting genital warts is ridiculous! I don't believe for a minute that ALL 9 year old girls are having sex..promiscuous or not.
http://lagunanaturalhealth.blogspot.com/2009/04/gardasil-facts.html
http://lagunanaturalhealth.blogspot.com/2009/04/gardasil-32-deaths-...

See? Get me started on vaccines and the gloves come off :-)

Here's a link for vaccine exemptions by state:
http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-vaccine-requirements.aspx

There's more information regarding vaccines and other health related topics on the LNH blog.

Getting back to this current reform issue and socialized medicine.....

....has anyone else noticed that, especially after the European Union was formed, that we're getting closer and closer to becoming a one world government? Socialist, socialist, socialist.

The AU (American Union) has been in the works for years. How cozy....South America, Central America and North America -- all under one 'roof'. Just think, we'll become just like the countries our forefathers ran from, and the counties bailed out and stood by over decades to free them from tyrannical and dictatorial rule in the last 100 years alone -- and the zillions of dollars we've spent and the young men and women we lost in the process. All in the name of FREEDOM. Doesn't that mean anything?

You nailed it, Suzanne --- the answer to 1984 IS 1776!
Comment by SuzanneF on July 18, 2009 at 3:11am
oc-you know I agree with you on GMO's and I agree with your stance on freedom and on the Health care Reform.

What people are failing to realize it's one more way the govt will step in and control you. Now they can tell you what doctor, meds and surgeries you can have. This plan will make HMO's look like a bed of roses and people will be begging to have HMO's back.

I have 2 daughters and neither have nor ever will receive Gardasil. In fact in the past 2 weeks I just pissed off 2 different regular mainstream doctors. I refused a variety of vacs for my girls. the one doctor tried to explain why they needed them. I still said no and she dropped it. The other doc boldly told me it was a state law, which in Maryland where I'm from, it is not and I told her so and boy was she so PISSED. You could see it in her face and hear it in her tone. I once was a young mom, now I'm older and wiser, and my kids aren't getting vaccinated, something they would enforce with the HC Reform/act. Yet another reason to just say no.

And if we go to socialized medicine then we will officially be living in a socialist state and not a capitalist one your forefathers fought for, and one my eastern european relatives fled to.

I could go on and on about all of this. But I better end it here before I lose anyone who has made it this far's attention.

Just remember the answer to 1984 is 1776.
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 17, 2009 at 6:15pm
hey, zendog...so socialism is the first step to communism.

http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm

if you're all into that, feel free to move to be a part of it. take your pick and getchyer passport ready:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_countries
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 17, 2009 at 6:00pm
ok then, what is the source of the 72%?

And "the plan" is not about health insurance...or care. it's about selling more pharms and performing more surgeries and making more money....it's NOT for or about the patients. And if you are free of disease, you will have to pay into it.

That's just unfair. Especially when the three most costly diseases in the US are 100% preventable.

Here's a thought...maybe the people who have preventable diseases should be taxed for their illness.

Wow--I never thought of that before.

About Cato:
The Cato Institute was founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane. It is a non-profit public policy research foundation headquartered in Washington, D.C. The Institute is named for Cato's Letters, a series of libertarian pamphlets that helped lay the philosophical foundation for the American Revolution.

Q: What's wrong with that?

Cato's Mission:
The mission of the Cato Institute is to increase the understanding of public policies based on the principles of limited government, free markets, individual liberty, and peace. The Institute will use the most effective means to originate, advocate, promote, and disseminate applicable policy proposals that create free, open, and civil societies in the United States and throughout the world.

Q: Again, what's wrong with that?

I am an American. I was born in this country. I enjoy my freedoms. I want to maintain them. I like freedom of choice. Freedom must be in my DNA.....My ancestors came over on the Mayflower and settled the Commonwealths of Virginia and Massachusetts. Two of my ancestors signed the Declaration of Independence. One of my brothers served in Vietnam. My nephew is currently in a year-long mission training for his 4th tour in Afghanistan. My expectation is to continue to live in a first world English speaking country with freedom of choice.

It's just not looking good for the US if these bills are passed. Not just heathcare....I can't even call it "healthcare" because it's NOT! Big insurance and big pharma have been so highly criticized that they have to come up with a new plan. ANY new plan. They don't know what they're doing, but they're going to pass something quickly. True Health Care Reform will take years. I'd rather see it take time and do it right the first time than have more of the same, over and over. It's just going to continue to spiral out of control.

It's crazy how schools have become obsessed with mandating vaccinations. I don't have a daughter, but if I did, there's not a snowball's chance in hell she'd have a Gardasil vaccine. 675 mcg's of aluminum (225 mcg's per shot), when one mcg has been ruled by the Supreme Court as a neurotoxin. http://www.nvic.org/nvic-archives/pressrelease/gardasilgirls.aspx

I can write anyone out of any vaccine. But parents, especially young parents, want to do the "very best" for their children. They blindly buy into whatever their doctor tells them without doing any research on their own, or talk to others about alternatives --- or the flipside (what could happen). To this point, I know a girl whose baby was given a vaccine for chickenpox a few weeks ago, and had a stroke. A STROKE! and she's an infant! What a crisis for this family. Sadly, she's not the only case.

What makes you think the US government can do a better job providing health services? The government isn't trained or educated in these areas. They can push paper with the best of them, but this country is in a total state of confusion about true HEALTH CARE. I don't know ANYONE who lives where there is socialized (yes, socialized) medicine who is happy with it. Our government is already having trouble with Medicare and Medicaid....and you suggest to lop more on their plate?

I don't think so.
Comment by ZenDog on July 17, 2009 at 5:47pm
Nonsense. The private sector cannot solve our health care system. It is, after all, the private sector that broke it in the first place.

o, yeah, and the same can be said for our national economy.

repelicans . . .
Comment by Urbangal on July 17, 2009 at 4:20pm
It's 72% actually.

"The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector."

http://tinyurl.com/mbg2at

Sadly, I think any bold health care reform is a long way away. So far I've seen nothing but timid policy making from the Democrats.

The Cato Institute, by the way, is primarily focused on convincing people that the private sector can do a better job providing public services than the government. The public good will never come first if it were only up to big business. The Cato Institute is a front for big business mostly, although I do agree with their stance on civil liberties.
Comment by OCNaturalDoc on July 17, 2009 at 12:58pm
you are wrong.

there are plenty of countries (more than 20) worldwide with some sort of national health care program, so there are plenty of "long term effects", as you say (i call them facts) to draw from to see what works and what doesn't. the success of these programs largely depend on the economics of the country. those who are unable to take care of themselves will opt for these programs.

you may be interested to know that the US is the only wealthy, industrialized country in the world without universal health care. there are good reasons for keeping it that way....first and foremost, we are NOT a socialist country. but this plan would be a giant leap in that direction.

current health care costs in the US are outrageously and unnecessarily high. the insurance, pharmaceutical, medical/hospital industries need to (carefully) dismantle this current failing system and a build a less greedy and pro-patient plan in its place, providing for self-treat/self-care education for disease prevention. the current system just doesn't work. it's no 'deal' for healthy people, and it only covers a percentage for those who are sick.

americans have a lower life expectancy than in other first world countries where national health care has already been implemented -- probably due to the rise in obesity, type II diabetes, etc. (all preventable). and to think the US led the world in life expectancy 20 years ago! our infant mortality rates are very high....higher than the average of the EU.

rather than people being responsible for their own health and well being, they "sub it out" to a 'system'. and yes, the system was set up to encourage office visits, rather than education in disease prevention. our health is our most valuable personal resource. giving up control of our personal health to a system rather than self-treat (taking responsibility for ourselves) is lazy. why do you suppose disease is on the rise in our country? people are lazy and undisciplined. i know this because they tell me they're lazy! they eat what they want, they don't feel like exercising, they smoke, they drink excessively, they don't cope well with stress, they don't sleep....it's a big list...and they expect someone else to 'fix' it, rather than figure out why they feel like crap, have unsatisfying relationships with their spouses, experience decreased sex drive, don't manage their kids, and feel their lives are out of control...and then blame it all on something or someone else. jeeze! it's time to put the big boy and big girl panties on, step up and be a freakin' grown up!

it's really very simple -- when we feel good, our bodies operate well. think of your car...when you take care of it -- tune ups, new tires, wash 'n wax, good fuel, etc., it works well for you. but if you let it break down. even little by little, and put band-aids on it rather than fix it, you'll have a "ghetto jet" in no time. i've seen some people whose cars look better than they do! i'm sure you have, too. honestly, the mind reels.

here are some facts about why universal health care won't work:
1. health care is not a right. it is not the responsibility of the government to provide health care. grow up!
2. universal plans will result in increased wait times, resulting in more deaths.
3. unequal access and health disparities still exist in universal health care systems.
4. according to David E. Kelley, A Life of One's Own: Individual Rights and the Welfare State, Cato Institute, October 1998, the performance of administrative duties by doctors results from medical centralization and over-regulation, and may reduce charitable provision of medical services by doctors.
5. many problems that universal health insurance is meant to solve are presumed caused by limitations on the free market -- free market solutions have greater potential to improve care and coverage.
http://economics.gmu.edu/wew/articles/07/health%20care.htm
6. according to Glen Whitman, WHO's Fooling Who? The World Health Organization's Problematic Ranking of Health Care Systems, the widely quoted health care system ranking by the World Health Organization, in which the US system ranked below other countries' universal health care systems, used biased criteria, giving a false sense of those systems' superiority.
7. according to Sue Blevins, Universal Health Care Won't Work — Witness Medicare, empirical evidence on the Medicare single payer-insurance program demonstrates that the cost exceeds the expectations of advocates.
8. as an open-ended entitlement, Medicare does not weigh the benefits of technologies against their costs. Paying physicians on a fee-for-service basis also leads to spending increases. As a result, it is difficult to predict or control Medicare's spending (Fuchs VR, Emanuel EJ (2005). "Health care reform: why? What? When?)
9. according to Michael J. O’Grady, "Health Insurance Spending Growth - How Does Medicare Compare?," Joint Economic Committee, June 17, 2003, and Jeff Lemieux, "Medicare vs. FEHB Spending: A Rare, Reasonable Analysis," Centrists.org, June 2003, large market-based public program such as the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program and CalPERS can provide better coverage than Medicare while still controlling costs as well.
10. universal health care systems, in an effort to control costs by gaining or enforcing monopsony power, sometimes outlaw medical care paid for by private, individual funds. see http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2006/08/23/revolt-against-canadian-h...

there are a few cities and states that have tried to implement a health care plan....my friends in massachusetts aren't particularly thrilled with their changes.

i believe that most americans want a choice, because that's how americans are wired. we are not socialist, we are not communist...we are a country founded on freedom of choice. and i don't want any of my freedoms taken away. i do not want (or need) government to step in and REQUIRE me to pay into a universal health system that is NOT about 'health' at all....rather it's about 'disease management'. and the highest costs in health care are due to totally preventable "diseases".

what's the source of your 70% of americans want a universal plan statistic?
Comment by Madhatterat60 on July 17, 2009 at 11:48am
Most of this is bull shit. NO ONE knows what the long term effects of a national health care policy will do. NO ONE. There are guesses, some more educated than others...but when you go searching negative sites, that's what you're going to find...Nay-Sayers without a clue or any kind of hint or alternative.

Over 70% of the population in this country WANT a government health care system. Those are numbers NO politician is going to ignore.

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