'We need to be a lot less tolerant towards Islamic extremists': Cameron calls for immigrants to respect British core values

[alienken]

By Jason Groves
Last updated at 3:39 PM on 5th February 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353902/David-Cameron-Stop-tolerating-Islamic-extremists-respect-British-core-values.html

David Cameron today pledged to make Britain ‘a lot less’ tolerant towards Islamic extremists who whip up hatred against the West.

In a major speech on terrorism, the Prime Minister argued that Britain has been too ‘passive’ towards organisations and preachers who poison the minds of young Muslims.

Mr Cameron said Britain needs to be less tolerant and more judgemental when faced with ideologies that threaten the country’s basic values.



David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the International Conference on Security Policy in Munich today. 'Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism,' the Prime Minister said

Signalling a major departure from Labour’s softly-softly approach, he suggested that to ‘belong’ in Britain, individuals must sign up to core values such as freedom of speech, the rule of law and democracy.

In a barely-concealed attack on the opposition, he will say: ‘It’s time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past.’

The Prime Minister pledged to end all public funding for groups which give succour to extremist views. And he called for action to ban extremists from radicalising young people in universities, prisons and internet chat rooms.

At a security conference in Munich today, Mr Cameron said: ‘Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism.’

His warning comes just days after Britain’s independent reviewer of anti-terrorism laws, Lord Carlile, said that human rights rulings had made Britain a ‘safe haven’ for suspected foreign terrorists.

The Prime Minister also hit out at Labour’s experiment with multiculturalism – calling it a failure. He says society has failed to provide a strong sense of what it means to be British, making it easier for extremists to prey on youngsters seeking something to identify with.

He added: ‘We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values.

‘So when a white person holds objectionable views – racism, for example – we rightly condemn them.

‘But when equally unacceptable views or practices have come from someone who isn’t white, we’ve been too cautious, frankly even fearful, to stand up to them.’

Mr Cameron pledged to end the state funding of groups that help foster extremist views, even if they are not directly linked to terrorism. He warned that there is a ‘spectrum’ of dangerous groups, ranging from those advocating suicide bomb attacks to those who ‘may reject violence, but who accept various parts of the extremist world view, including real hostility towards western democracy and liberal values’.

He said: ‘As evidence emerges about the backgrounds of those convicted of terrorist offences, it is clear that many of them were initially influenced by what some have called “non-violent extremists” and then took those radical beliefs to the next level by embracing violence.’

Shami Chakrabarti, director of civil liberties and human rights campaign group Liberty, said: 'I don't know how the Prime Minister defines multiculturalism, but I agree with every fundamental right and freedom set out in his speech.

'These are the values enshrined in the Human Rights Act which I hope he will now promote rather than denigrate.'

Downing Street last night declined to name the groups Mr Cameron is referring to. But controversial organisations which have received state funding in the past include Hizb-ut-Tahrir and the Muslim Council of Britain.

Mr Cameron warned fellow European leaders that they cannot tackle terrorism simply by tracking down extremists abroad in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan and must ‘wake up to what is happening in our own countries’.

But the Prime Minister added that events in Egypt – where Muslim protesters are calling for democratic reforms – show that ‘Western values and Islam can be entirely compatible’.

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[alienken]

Their focus is on Muslim extremism only because it's the only one that is a threat to our society and our lives.

[alienken]

You think Christians are a threat to your way of life? Just as significant? Why?

Ignore the Christians and nothing will happen to you. Ignore the Muslim extremist and their numbers will grow, they will exploit our weaknesses, and a major attack will happen. Oh yea it already did.......

Sept 11

[Lawrence Bates]

They are an extremist Christian organization. As far as I'm concerned, the threat they represent to our way of life, is just as significant as Muslim extremists.

 

I'll try to restate this so that you can understand, pac.

you said that ACT for America is  "an extremist Christian group" Then you confounded that exposure of your true bias by saying that they are as much a threat to our way of life as muslim extremists. 

They probably are a threat to your way of life, pac, but don't include the rest of us in your fear of them.   They have tried to bomb no airplanes, crashed no airliners into office buildings, killed none of their wives or children to "protect their own honor", in short, they are a threat to no one except the politics to which you subscribe and to those who would bring Shariah law to the west.

 

[Lawrence Bates]

Lawrence, language like "I'll try to restate this so that you can understand, pac." belies your stated reason for participating in this group. 

 

In what way does this bely my stated reason of balancing out the leftist BS in this group?  My post was for that very purpose.  You blather on about any group or person opposing radical Islam and that, specificaly is some of the leftist BS I'm here to counteract.

I note that you were at least smart enough not to try to call me on this as a personal attack upon you, pac, since it was in this case, similar to your remark to alienken, which I've underlined below. 

You seem to have quite the deficiency when it comes to reading comprehension, or you're simply being yourself.

 

 

[Lawrence Bates]

No, I paint

her with

that brush,

 because

she's one

of the

mouthepiec

es of the

 group that

did that

massacre.

 

Do you expect anyone to believe another of your undocumented charges against a woman you dislike?   Put up or shut up.   Show the proof you have. 

[alienken]

 So, what I'm asking you is this...What Extreme Christian groups? Where? and how are they a threat?

 We are talking simple terms here, there is no reason for a misunderstanding.

[Lawrence Bates]

Stop squirming and answer his question, pac.  How is ACT for America a threat?

[Lawrence Bates]

The massacre of Sabra and Shatila?  You are trying to paint the lady who is one of the founders of ACT for America with that paintbrush, because she was born in Lebanon?  That's laughable even for you.   

 

What you need to do here is simply to show how this group's policy on islamic radicals in England is a threat to anyone but radical islamists.   You're backsliding into dancing mode again.

[Lawrence Bates]

Even when you dance, your untalented.  I knew you'd evade the question.

[Lawrence Bates]

You are still evading.   You yourself have presumed to tell me what I should believe in concerning both Act for America and Brigitte Gabriel, all without providing a shred of evidence, only your own feelings of hatred toward them.

 

As expected, my mocking answer to your "page long answer"(of one or two words per line) parted your hair without you even knowing it.  Get serious in your arguments!  If you make a charge, back it up with evidence other than your own pontifications.

[Lawrence Bates]

Interesting, because I provided an answer, one that you actually quoted from (Sabra and Shatilla), but you apparently forgot that.

I forgot nothing of your foolishness, pac.

I didn’t ask for an answer, I asked for proof (or evidence at least) of the charges you make against Brigitte Gabriel and ACT for America.   Your “answer” saying that she and her organization are a “front” for unnamed, mysterious “Christian Extremist organizations” and tying them in with the historical fact of Sabra & Shatilla is proof of nothing except your shallow debating style.    I could as easily say that you are a front person for Golda Mier and cite the six days war as proof.

You call facts hatred.

Nothing of the sort.  I said that your unproven charges against Brigitte Gabriel and Act for America stem from your personal hatred of them.  What you present as “facts” are baloney unless you present some proof.    You charge that she presents half truths and lies, but fail to back that up  with any evidence against these unnamed nebulous “lies”.    I think it’s clear to all here just who is being honest and who is using smears and innuendos  in your little personal war of the words with Brigitte and her organisation.

 

Wishful thinking does not make it true, and Britain's screwed up experience with integration has absolutely nothing to do with our experience in the US, but that of course does not stop ACT from trolling.

Actually, it’s not just Britain’s experience, it’s France’s and most other European countries that have allowed unlimited Islamic immigration and your use of the word “integration is a hoot, since “integrate” is just what most Muslim immigrants do NOT do.   They create their own enclaves and start to agitate for Shariah within them.   This has been the overwhelming experience of the European countries I refer to.  And yes, it does have something to do with our experience in the USA.  It is an accurate picture of just what will happen here and is already happening here as these non integrating  Muslim communities grow.

Should you be foolish enough to ask for documentation of this from me, I’ll be happy to do it.  I could double the length of this thread with documentation of what I’m saying here alone.   Are you?

 

The group that she freely admits belonging to in her book, is responsible for countless monstrosities.

An as yet unnamed and undocumented group.  Please be specific.

 

Let's take for instance her claim that she lived with her family for years in a one-room bomb shelter for seven years, until she was rescued by Israelis in 1978.

OK, present her claim in an actual quote.  Then present  a documented argument that it’s false.

 

She also claims knowledge of terrorism, because of her experience with Hezbollah during those years.

Do the same here.  Don’t forget your proof that she had no direct experience with Hezbollah.

 

The most damning though, is that the party she belonged to, brought her back to Marj'ayoun, and she was an announcer for one of the born-again US-based Christian organizations, targeting the conversion of the area's Muslims.

You know what I’m asking for here.  Use direct quotes for both your assertion and your documentation.

 

Also, in case you missed it, I am also addressing the issue of how extreme Christian groups are a threat to our way of life (and you ignorantly referred to it as my way of life). Thousands of our soldiers died in Iraq, on a modern crusade, and now these groups are telling me that they want my support to block Middle East peace, the creation of a Palestinian State, and they want my children to die in order for a bunch of Christian a Jewish zealots can enjoy their blood-soaked condos in Samria. Thank you, but no thank you. Here's a hint for you Lawrence, why don't you click on one of some of the links on ACT's web site, and the groups that sponsor it. It might be even more than enlightening than the time you figured out simple arithmetic ratios.

I meant only your way of life, pac.  My way of life is cookin’ along OK.  Correct me if I’m wrong(I know you will in any case), but surely you aren’t doing what it sounds like in your above paragraph. 

First you declare that the Iraq war is the latest crusade and the segue from there to the preposterous insinuation that the war was dictated by unnamed “extreme  Christian Groups” and then degenerates into a spittle flecked polemic that seems to lump Christians and “Jewish zealots” together in ? a plot to buy up and enjoy all the condos (yeah, I got it – splashed with blood) in the mountains in Shomron. 

You should be thinking about a vacation, pac, for your own sanity.   Leave your computer home though.

 

[Lawrence Bates]

Well, after the disintegrating, hashed up polemic about Act for America, I'll move on to address the main subject of the thread, the failure of multiculturalism in England and I'll throw in much of Europe and Canada to boot.

 

“My answer is clearly yes, it is a failure,” (he said in a television interview when asked about the policy which advocates that host societies welcome and foster distinct cultural and religious immigrant groups.)

“Of course we must all respect differences, but we do not want… a society where communities coexist side by side.

“If you come to France, you accept to melt into a single community, which is the national community, and if you do not want to accept that, you cannot be welcome in France,” the right-wing president said.

“The French national community cannot accept a change in its lifestyle, equality between men and women… freedom for little girls to go to school,” he said.

“We have been too concerned about the identity of the person who was arriving and not enough about the identity of the country that was receiving him,” ……………..

French President Nicolas Sarkozy

 

This approach has failed, totally,” she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany’s culture and values.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel

 

“Under the doctrine of state multiculturalism, we have encouraged different cultures to live separate lives, apart from each other and apart from the mainstream.  We’ve failed to provide a vision of society to which they feel they want to belong.  We’ve even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run completely counter to our values.”

“when a white person holds objectionable views, racist views for instance, we rightly condemn them.  But when equally unacceptable views or practices come from someone who isn’t white, we’ve been too cautious frankly – frankly, even fearful – to stand up to them.”

British Prime Minister David Cameron

 

"I'm against the idea of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism divides our societies, debilitates our societies, multiculturalism does not produce tolerance, nor integration."    "And this is one of the reasons of the great failures in several European societies at this moment."

former Spanish prime minister Jose Maria Aznar

 

The left will argue various ethnic festivals across Canada are somehow proof of multi-racial peace and harmony.   But when those festivals end, so does that Kumbaya moment.   The social interaction halts, and the ghetto returns to its cocoon.   That's the reality of multiculturalism. It's segregation not assimilation.    And it's why our immigration rules must change.

Editorial 2/19/2011,  Toronto Sun