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Yes they did. What, you weren't aware? When they embarked upon their final solution they began with the mentally ill. That worked so well they expanded their program of racial purity to include Jews, Gypsies, faggots, Russians, and anyone else who disagreed with the program. Once they had the process refined, they told the people to assemble at the train station, and only bring one bag. They wouldn't have said bring one bag if they were planning whole sale extermination now would they? No-oo. Of course not. And strangely enough, lots of people complied. Well, what else were they gonna do really, when the consequence for non compliance was so utterly, and abundantly, clear . . .

So, you know, I kind of figure the mentally ill in any given society are kind of like the canary, you know? Kinda. They serve as a kind of barometer of the society in which they live.

The last time I saw something come out on research involving the mentally ill it appeared in the Boston Globe in 1998, and the articles included things like wash out therapy, ketamine research, and a few other experiments with medication. Some of these experiments resulted in suicide.

And that kinda pisses me off.

Ya. It does. Almost as much as the idea that some right wing bible thumper might actually use scripture to justify homicide. Huh? What? You say? If a seed falls and dies . . . they say, and I say that's no excuse.

There is no excuse. And I've got just the punishment that will fit the crime . . .

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hum, I'm not sure what you're point is here. That within the field of mental health there has been distinct and demonstrable pattern of grotesque violation of human rights perpetrated by sociopaths who have very successfully hidden their maladies behind extensive degrees and letters of PhD?

That this pattern has persisted - despite all of our strides toward something we call progress, for over a century?

Or is it rather an attempt to portray a single, and very powerful, family of American society as utterly corrupt, the embodiment of everything that is un-American and therefore, somehow, completely evil?

Obviously you have never heard how within the Bush Dynasty there lies a banker who funded the rise of Hitler in Germany prior to the war, or that this American was not the only source of U.S. dollars to flow into Germany prior to the onset of War . . .
Yeah the one and only Prescott Bush, profited from involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
Ya know, I'm tempted to throw a tantrum just because really, this is in it's own way, inexcusable. I mean, hey, the man was a drunk. One who made amends, far greater amends than, say, you ever will for the errors and mistakes and hurt that you have ever caused in your life.

but hey. The reality is that the pic and comment goes to show what an utter asshole you really are, I mean, really.


yet rather than to consider whether, or to what degree, the blood of Ms. Kopechne may be attributable to a chain of events spanning the course of a decade, and that include a quiet yet bloody dispute regarding American policy and our conduct of the Cold War,


you remain content to point fingers, snigger and chortle at the specter of shame and yes, even death - and why? Simply because your well worn blanket of ignorance provides comfort in the face of a life over which you have little control?
Again, I fail to see your point. Unless perhaps it is simply that you feel, having served the nation, you are entitled to parade a litany of dirty laundry while a family is in mourning, and do so with no other purpose than the gratification of some sick and sadistic urge to gawk and to snigger at tragedy; as if the stains of filth would not attain to your own wanton and grasping hands.

You are a fool, sir. Childish, mean spirited, and cruel. And I think you have made that point abundantly clear.

thanks for the clarity.
Big families have big tragedies. Would you like to air your DIRTY LAUNDRY HERE Or should we start a seperate discussion on it?
How's about we go ahead and start airing all the people in Washington's in office? I got an idea, let's start with the family values group, the republicants. OMG, that'll keep us busy for ages.'
Of course, as I suggest, you could always start with yours, bet we'd be busy for a long time.
You don't suppose it would be appropriate to wait at least a day or two until after the Senator has been interred, do you?

I would actually hold off even then, unless it happens to serve some very pressing public interest, which the above posts by Hawker certainly do not.

Hawkers posts serve to do nothing but humiliate a family who is, at this moment, in mourning.
The aforementioned deeds are thirty years old or more and have aired already numerous times.Nothing new has been added here, and what good can come of flaunting stained sheets in the noses of people in mourning. Some people just don't want to lay the past to rest.

We have all heard these sad stories of excess and bad jugement. Enough, already.
Ted Kennedy was flawed, like all other humans. Despite all of your anti-Kennedy jibba jabba, we will never know what really happened at Chappaquiddick. Only Ted Kennedy knew for sure. He has made amends and MORE THAN ATONED for his sins. While he never got to see universal health care implemented (thanks to the Repugnicans and the health insurance lobby), he worked tirelessly and patiently to make sure that more people, especially children, had health insurance.

The ugly rumors and conspiracies around the Kennedys, ignores the reality of that family. They were wealthy, yes. But unlike the spoiled, entitled brats of today, they believed that they were duty-bound to serve the public good; that their good fortune should not go to waste, but should be used to make America a better place for us all.

And, had JFK not declared all 26 miles of Cape Cod shoreline a National Seashore, the corporations and anti-environmentalists would have destroyed what is undoubtedly one of the most beautiful shorelines in America.

I agree with Zen. You are mean-spirited and cruel.
I also agree with Zen...to attack and try to disgrace a family who are in mourning...Ted isnt even in the ground yet...to say such things at a time like this is so innappropriate...a show of ignorance and insensativity.
But people are so in love with those gossip games that they seem not to be able to help themselves...they think that God has appointed them judge, jury and hangman over everyone else but themselves...they cant sleep at night unless they have cast a dark shadow on some unsuspecting sole...and usually delivered at a time when the person isnt able to defend themselves. And people who play those gossip games dont realize just how dirty a game it is...until someone does it to them... MHO
You're an absoute PIG!! You're a disgrace and disgusting. How's about printing out what you wrote and wipe your ass with it.
Luca it is good to see you back in the politcal discussions and as always you make an excellent point.
Thanks for bringing us back on topic in a timely and relevant manner. It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy . . . . well, you know, it would, if I were so inclined . . .




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