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How do you feel about the Death Sentence ?

What gripes me about it is the long

grown out process of appeals till a

person is put to death . Lot's of people

are against it . I believe if these lower

life forms were quickly put to death it

would slow crime down . Maybe wrong

for thinking that way . Curious how you all

feel about it !

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We also know as the thinking, reasoned people we are, that capital punishment does not reduce crime or prevent  it...we know that because we haved studied the crime stats and read and seen lots and lots news reports for many many years.... and we have read all the accounts of people that have been incarerated and put to death for crimes they have not commited. As much as it's sometimes easier to think emotionally, I think it's better for a society to be as thinking and reasoned as we are capable of.

Many states did away with the death penalty years ago. Maybe the the next question should be why are some states still putting people to death at all?

Well said blithe!

And I would like a definition of "lower life forms". I find it to be an offensive term used by the very people who would fit the definition.

the death penalty is a hard one for me .. on the one hand if someone does some kind of really grisley crime like kills your whole family as if its some kind of sport i'd probably want them removed from this earth.. but then on the otherhand , i have to think is this person sane if he did such a violent act like that ?/ and do you want to put to death a sick pathetic can't tell the difference between right and wrong fuckwad ?? so because i can't make them kill him nor could i stop them from killin him i'd consider it something that was beyond my control and whatever happened in the end was it .. my biggest concern is they don't execute anyone falsely .. if its gonna be an execution then the evidence should be iron clad and not circumstantial .. and i mean 100% .. anything less gives you life .. 

I spent more than 4 months in a murder with special circumstances case. There was DNA evidence and he admitted he killed her, before he was arrested he tried to kidnap 3 other girls who got away just barely, the last one was how he was caught. The evidence was overwhelming as to his guilt. He tortured the victim in many ugly disgusting ways I can't imagine how someone could suffer such pain. Before the trial I thought I didn't believe in the death penalty, I voted for it in this case. This animal would have kept on going and killing. We were holding out for life without the possibility of parole until we asked the judge if there was a chance that the laws would change and he could be released in the future.

The judge told us we could only consider the laws on the books at that time. The three of us who were holding out all changed our minds. Yes I do now believe in the death penalty because when I was a juror I felt like I was accountable to that girls family. Her sister came to the trial every single day others in her family came as often as possible. If there had been even the slightest doubt about his guilt I might have felt differently.

and there we have it lifey , i think i would have been right there with you .. there are times when the evidence is just overwhelming and you know there isn't anything at all that this particular life can add to this world to make it worthwhile to keep them breathing above ground another day .. i'd say this meets that 100% criteria so there's no remorse on the part of any of the jurors if they all vote thumbs down .. life is fragile and precious .. you can't have guys like him who are a bull in a china shop walkin around with no conscience as to who they rape murder or maim .. 

the point of it all is...the concept of "well, just kill all the lower life forms" pretty much leads to "well they musta done sumthin and they're only ________" [pick one: jews, niggers, white trash, catholics, short, lefthanded, dumber than a sack of turds, etc.]

  the innocence project pretty much puts the kibosh on trusting the justice system. i'd have NO trouble with the death penalty for some of the heinous crimes we hear about every day IF i had confidence it was the right person they caught and convicted. in point of fact, i'd be happy to flip the switch, pull the lever,drop the pill in the pail, or pull the trigger with nary a qualm. the trouble is it is the wrong person often enough that it should give a thinking rational person a huge pause to consider that there is no do-over if it was wrong. in several locales it seems the labs have altered the evidence and found what the prosecution wanted found. and there are several places in texas and oklahoma where it seems the prosecution and the law enforcement worked together to convict people they considered undesirable, thus fulfilling two goals at once: removing the undesirable person from their community and at the same time boosting their crime clearance rates. great stuff unless you happen to be the wrong color or sex or any one of a number of what the powers that be might use as a yardstick or if you just happen to think that justice actually SHOULD be just.

  and if you think that severe punishments and the death penalty were true deterrents to crime, then you would have to believe that there was virtually no crime in say the 1600's and 1700's when virtually every crime was a hanging offense...

and how would you explain my seeing the saturday spectacles at the market place in tripoli where they administered justice by lopping the hands off of thieves and heads for other crimes...and yet there were still plenty of thieves and other malefactors at the time? but a good time was had by all..well, mostly all

all good points problem , which was why i put that 100% in there .. and in the case that lifey just mentioned the guy confessed and was caught tryin to do it again .. now if he somehow recanted and said he was beaten and coerced that could change things .. but i don't think that was the case here ..

After the trial, the judge allowed us to have a meeting with the police officer who investigated the case. The officer wanted to meet with us because he gave us more evidence to let us know we convicted the right guy. I was impressed with how much he cared about giving us more facts. He had a whole notebook of additional information that made us more comfortable with our decision.

The Judge also wanted us to have counseling if we wanted it because of some of the evidence we had to see and examine during the trial. He had security for all of us after the verdict, we were escorted to our cars and police cars were located on the streets to make sure none of us were followed.

nearly every day you see a story like this if you look ...

Jailed for 23 years, freed man suffers heart attack a day later

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A man released 23 years after he was wrongly convicted for the 1991 murder of a New York rabbi suffered a heart attack on his second day as a free man, his attorney confirmed to NBC News.

David Ranta was hospitalized after the heart attack, attorney Pierre Sussman said. The man's heart attack was first reported by the New York Times.

“On Friday evening, David Renta suffered a heart attack. My office is happy to report that he’s been stabilized and is being treated in cardiac intensive care at a metropolitan hospital,” Sussman said in a written statement. “He is presently resting, with his family by his bedside. We will continue to ensure that David receives the required, ongoing medical attention he needs.”

Ranta, 58, spent more than two decades in jail after he was found him guilty of killing Hasidic rabbi Chaskel Werzberger. A lengthy review of his case ended with prosecutors admitting that the case against Ranta had fallen apart over the years. He was freed at a Brooklyn courthouse on Thursday.

“The accumulated trauma of being falsely convicted and incarcerated for 23 years, coupled with the intense emotions experienced surrounding his release, has had a profound impact on his health,” Sussman said in the statement.

Long-pent emotions welled for relatives when the judge vacated Ranta’s sentence. The man's pregnant daughter, who was two years old when he was jailed, were among those present.

“Sir, you are free to go,” acting state Supreme Court Justice Miriam Cyrulnik said at the Brooklyn courthouse.

“The evidence no longer establishes the defendant’s guilt is beyond a reasonable doubt,” Assistant District Attorney John O’Mara told Reuters.

“I’m overwhelmed,” Ranta told reporters after being cleared. “Right now, I feel like I’m under water, swimming.”




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