'We need to be a lot less tolerant towards Islamic extremists': Cameron calls for immigrants to respect British core values

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By Jason Groves
Last updated at 3:39 PM on 5th February 2011

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353902/David-Cameron-Stop-tolerating-Islamic-extremists-respect-British-core-values.html

David Cameron today pledged to make Britain ‘a lot less’ tolerant towards Islamic extremists who whip up hatred against the West.

In a major speech on terrorism, the Prime Minister argued that Britain has been too ‘passive’ towards organisations and preachers who poison the minds of young Muslims.

Mr Cameron said Britain needs to be less tolerant and more judgemental when faced with ideologies that threaten the country’s basic values.



David Cameron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel at the International Conference on Security Policy in Munich today. 'Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism,' the Prime Minister said

Signalling a major departure from Labour’s softly-softly approach, he suggested that to ‘belong’ in Britain, individuals must sign up to core values such as freedom of speech, the rule of law and democracy.

In a barely-concealed attack on the opposition, he will say: ‘It’s time to turn the page on the failed policies of the past.’

The Prime Minister pledged to end all public funding for groups which give succour to extremist views. And he called for action to ban extremists from radicalising young people in universities, prisons and internet chat rooms.

At a security conference in Munich today, Mr Cameron said: ‘Frankly, we need a lot less of the passive tolerance of recent years and much more active, muscular liberalism.’

His warning comes just days after Britain’s independent reviewer of anti-terrorism laws, Lord Carlile, said that human rights rulings had made Britain a ‘safe haven’ for suspected foreign terrorists.

The Prime Minister also hit out at Labour’s experiment with multiculturalism – calling it a failure. He says society has failed to provide a strong sense of what it means to be British, making it easier for extremists to prey on youngsters seeking something to identify with.

He added: ‘We have even tolerated these segregated communities behaving in ways that run counter to our values.

‘So when a white person holds objectionable views – racism, for example – we rightly condemn them.

‘But when equally unacceptable views or practices have come from someone who isn’t white, we’ve been too cautious, frankly even fearful, to stand up to them.’

Mr Cameron pledged to end the state funding of groups that help foster extremist views, even if they are not directly linked to terrorism. He warned that there is a ‘spectrum’ of dangerous groups, ranging from those advocating suicide bomb attacks to those who ‘may reject violence, but who accept various parts of the extremist world view, including real hostility towards western democracy and liberal values’.

He said: ‘As evidence emerges about the backgrounds of those convicted of terrorist offences, it is clear that many of them were initially influenced by what some have called “non-violent extremists” and then took those radical beliefs to the next level by embracing violence.’

Shami Chakrabarti, director of civil liberties and human rights campaign group Liberty, said: 'I don't know how the Prime Minister defines multiculturalism, but I agree with every fundamental right and freedom set out in his speech.

'These are the values enshrined in the Human Rights Act which I hope he will now promote rather than denigrate.'

Downing Street last night declined to name the groups Mr Cameron is referring to. But controversial organisations which have received state funding in the past include Hizb-ut-Tahrir and the Muslim Council of Britain.

Mr Cameron warned fellow European leaders that they cannot tackle terrorism simply by tracking down extremists abroad in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan and must ‘wake up to what is happening in our own countries’.

But the Prime Minister added that events in Egypt – where Muslim protesters are calling for democratic reforms – show that ‘Western values and Islam can be entirely compatible’.

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[Lawrence Bates]

I guess this is your only option, given that all your other claims were destroyed.

Just what claims of mine do you imagine yourself to have destroyed, Pac?

 

[random quotes    Bla, bla, bla……….

Hardly random pac, they are quotes from 4 European leaders directly on the subject at hand.   Is that the best you can do to discredit them?

 

[bizarre quote from an editorial in a Canadian tabloid (missing their sunshine girl though) included for some bizarre reason, in an insance attempt to prove that Muslims are overtaking Canada, when in fact, the biggest integration issue, and that's a small one as far as Canadians believe, is the massive numbers of new East Indian, and Chinese immigrants]

I guess you think you should be writing their editorials, huh?

 

I see that you decided to skip the part where I showed you that the number of Muslims in the US already exceeds the sum of Muslims in Britain and France combined.

Nope I decided to ignore your inanity of using that statistic, when you well know that The US has

2 ½  X the total population of Britain and France combined, even if by Britain you mean the UK rather than England.   The Muslim populations, as a percentage of total populations negates whatever weird argument you’re trying to make.

 

The problem with taking what happens in Europe out of context, and trying to project it locally, is that it does not work.

Hogwash, what has happened in each of these countries is not out of context.  It is exactly what we can expect in the US.  Trying to say that what’s happening in those four countries is due to what happened in the Crusades?    Now that’s out of context.

 

now their chicken are home to roost

You really hold a grudge don’t you?

[Lawrence Bates]

George Otis?   You must be talking about a different George Otis than this one,  since this one has been in the presence of the Lord since mid 2007.     Possibly the one whom some see as a cult leader from up your way then?

Reprinted from Assist News Service in Lake Forest, CA

"Monday, July 23, 2007

George Otis, Sr. passes away
He lived a non-stop life of “High Adventure”

By Dan Wooding
Founder of ASSIST Ministries

LOS ANGELES, CA (ANS) -- George Otis, Sr.,the man who pioneered Christian radio and television in the Middle East and influenced Christians around the world, passed away last weekend at the age of 90.

This news was revealed in a story from CBN News (www.CBNNews.com)  which said, “George Otis, Sr., had been the general manager of LearJet before he found Christ.

“Otis later founded the "Voice of Hope Radio Network" which can still be heard on every continent around the world.

“His energetic enthusiasm for the gospel helped him touch the lives of actors, athletes, and politicians, including Ronald Reagan.”

The Voice of Hope radio ministry was founded by George Otis in 1979 and began broadcasting in South Lebanon in an embattled area. What started as a small radio station, evolved into a global broadcasting network with bases throughout the world. When George Otis retired in 1999, Jackie Mitchum Yockey was appointed as the executive in charge of taking the ministry into the new millennium.

After twenty years, the Voice of Hope was forced to evacuate from South Lebanon as the Israeli military withdrew its presence from that area. Amid the chaos, High Adventure was able to be broadcasting again within forty days. Because of God's grace and timing, we are now for the first time in history, sending the Gospel to the nations live from Jerusalem.

In addition to the "Voice of Jerusalem", which broadcasts over the Sky Angel satellite network, we now broadcast a live streaming Internet station, "The Voice of Hope - Jerusalem".

Otis also founded Middle East Television (METV) and later passed it on to Pat Robertson, founder of CBN. On May 2, 2000 Middle East Television relocated to Cyprus.

I first became aware of George Otis Sr., when I joined Irish-Canadian Ray Barnett, who was running Lebanon Aid, under High Adventure Ministries, to bring help to the embattled people of Lebanon and we visited the Voice of Hope radio station shortly before it was blown up by terrorists.

I later met George several times in Southern California, and he was always bubbling with enthusiasm for his latest project. The last time I saw him was at the 85th birthday celebrations for another great character, Harald Bredesen, on Saturday, August 23, 2003, at the Beverly Hilton Hotel. (Bredesen died at the age of 88 in December of last year.)

Otis, who, like Bredesen, was deeply involved in the Charismatic revival in the United States, said in an interview, “Harald Bredesen is a rare person. He is one of the great big cylinders in the engine of the Charismatic revival which spawned thousands of churches and ministries and new broadcast organizations and enterprise that further the cause of the Lord.

“His ministry has changed our nation and brought about so many TV stations and networks. Harald had a part in all of that as he was involved with Pat Robertson at CBN and TBN, 100 Huntley Street in Canada; in fact for all of those, he was the praying engine behind them.”

One person who was deeply affected by George Otis, Sr., was entertainer Pat Boone, who said he and his wife were led into the experience of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit by Otis.

Boone told me in an interview, “I consider Harald Bredesen and George Otis to be my two Holy Spirit fathers. George was the one who led Shirley [his wife] and me into the Baptism of the Holy Spirit then he introduced me to Harald, his dear friend, and Harald just came right along side like the Paraclete [the word comes from the Koine Greek word meaning ‘one who consoles - a comforter’ or ‘one who intercedes on our behalf - an advocate’] and led me into fuller commitment and understanding of God.”

 

Ronald Reagan

Steven Lawson, writing in Charisma talked about the influence that both Bredesen and Otis had on Ronald Regan. He said, “Bredesen was with [Pat] Boone and evangelist George Otis Sr. on another much-celebrated visit, this time with then-California Gov. Ronald Reagan. Otis told Reagan that if he remained faithful he would someday occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. With Otis on one side of Reagan and Bredesen on the other, the group joined hands and prayed.”

Eric Tiansay and Adrienne S. Gaines, also writing in Charisma, said, “Some Christian leaders say Reagan felt a sense of calling to the presidency. Christian broadcaster and author George Otis said he prophesied to then-Gov. Reagan at his home in the late 1960s that he would one day occupy 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.--if he walked uprightly before God. "We realized we had heard the voice of God," said Otis, who was accompanied by entertainer Pat Boone and evangelist Harald Bredesen at the meeting.

“Reagan acknowledged the prophecy to Boone after his first inauguration in 1981, indicating that he felt guided by a sense of divine purpose, Otis said. Observers have said that Reagan's role in ending the Cold War, stimulating the economy and restoring a sense of optimism to America helped the nation through a critical juncture in its history.”

Goodbye George. We will miss you and so will the millions of people whose lives you touched! "

 

At any rate, I’m not able to make a connection between the name “George Otis” and what you’re talking about.  G. O. Sr. seems to have a historical connection to Lebanon, but not to an extremist Christian Organization in the Middle East, unless you define Christian radio stations broadcasting into Arabic or Muslim countries as  Blocking middle east peace and promoting ACT’s “lies”(tho I see no obvious connection between said stations and ACT, unless they sell them some air time over there.)

The slightly questionable G. O. Jr from up next door to you doesn’t seem to fill the bill either.  Is there another one, besides the deceased landscape artist?

[Lawrence Bates]

Yep, all of which you see as a crime against nature, I don't.   Radio and TV waves don't carry guns and if one defines what they hear on them as that boring buzzword, "hatespeech", one is not forced to tune in.   You see free enterprise works all over the world in one form or another. 

 

If you hate what the jews do in regards as to citizenship in their own country, you should either move over there and vote against it, or move to the country of one of their enemies and do whatever your nature impels you to do.

 

 

 

[Lawrence Bates]

Why would you see radio stations aimed at telling locals that they are going to hell, and that their duty is to convert and help fulfill the magic-mushrooms induced prophecies of extreme Christians as hate speech?

 

I'm sure that if you ever chose to listen to Christian radio in your own locality, you'd view them the same way.  The point is, you don't listen unless you choose to.  I also realise that to you, any Christian that doesn't adhere to your worldview is an extreme Christian.

 

I guess you changed your mind about the lower Manhattan Mosque and Cultural center. Free enterprise, right?

 

You know very well that I have never based my opinion about the ground zero mosque on either free enterprise, or on constitutional grounds, but rather on grounds of poor taste.   No I haven't changed that opinion, which will stand whether it's built there or not.

 

It's odd that you think it's OK to spread democracy everywhere, but hen it comes to kicking people out of their homes in the West Bank, your response is: if you don't like it, then move there and change it.

 

My point about the question of West Bank settlements is that the Israeli government is operating from their own worldview in dealing with it.  You want them to deal with it from your own world view.  The only way you will be able to accomplish that is to immigrate there and become involved enough in the government to influence it's world view.  Good luck.

 

I vote here, and there are people in this country who, despite their screams to cut budgets, still insist that my tax $s support the occupation of other people's homes and land. That's a bizarre ask, even for you, but I don't expect anything better from you when you lose an argument.

 

If it makes you happy to believe I've lost an argument, go for it.  However all you've done is define "Bizarre"  when you think it's OK for you to rail about tax dollars going to aid Israel, all the while thinking that Christians shouldn't wish not to have their tax dollars pay for abortions in Obamacare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lawrence Bates]

Poor pac.  You still think that you have proven that ACT for America is affiliated with something more sinister than a Christian Radio station.   All you have done is cite an opinion and slander freely.  You have yet to prove any of your opinions to be fact.   Simply repeating them over and over doesn't make a fact. 

[Lawrence Bates]

BTW, here is an example of the value I place on ACT for America.   Tonight, they brought this WSJ articleto my attention:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704409004576146001069...

 

Although I doubt that you will put much store by it, given the surname of the author, I got a lot out of it.

 

 

[Lawrence Bates]

Suspicions confirmed.

[Lawrence Bates]

Most of the time, pac.

[Lawrence Bates]

You asked, don't whine.

[Lawrence Bates]

You're repeating yourself again and spraying spittle, pac. 

[Lawrence Bates]

I got it.   Wiping off shirt.