American Dream

[Wayne Goodwin]

Do we still have The American Dream ?

If so then it takes Much Longer ?

I believe the Illegals have an advanced start to The American Dream ....

What say Ye ?

[Snagg]

Then are you in favor of also jailing the AMERICAN business owners who deliberately hire illegals, just so they can screw them over whenever the opportunity raises itself ?

Or do you think that screwing over local American citizens, by offering only unlivable shit wages is okay ?

Is it just okay if the business owner does it to those darned no-good illegals, while the citizens that the businessman keeps from working instead draw taxpayer-paid unemployment benefits, while the terrible illegals ACTUALLY DO THE JOB ?

[Wayne Goodwin]

I guess that boils down to a Two Edged Sword . The common worker doesn't make enough to live a good life they barely get by . An illegal that gets a job in a factory making the same amount of money and not paying buy a trifle amount of taxes is living much better . A lot of them rent a place  and a dozen move in . Work sending money back home taking advantage of the working man . They do jobs no one else wants . Nothing wrong with that as long as the employer lets it happen ...I made shit wages all my life . Don't have to worry no more about work . I'm retired and waiting for the end of life as i see it ... Some one has to stir the pot to ______ ?

[Snagg]

So, if I understand you correctly...It's totally all right for the employer to play games of economic slavery with any available labor force, including starvation wages and the denial of all benefits, to ANY employee, if the employer can get away with it.

How is it that two different people, a legal and an illegal, both earning the SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY - Yet the "illegal" is doing "so much better" than the legal ? They pay the same amount in sales taxes, the same amounts in FICA are deducted from their paychecks (assuming the illegal is even ON the books - Yet you feel that that is the ILLEGAL'S crime) - Are you implying that the legal citizen must be much more incompetent with their money than the illegal ?

For that matter - Somehow, you DESERVED to be paid shit wages all your life ?

What you are saying, Wayne, is BEYOND ignorance and self-contempt. Are you suffering from some sort of diagnosed clinical depression ? You are sounding like a guy who sees nothing wrong with letting a ruthless bastard walk all over people.

[Wayne Goodwin]

I do have a little depression in my life . Nothing ya should worry about though . What happens in the work force doesn't apply to me anymore . What you think doesn't matter is your opinion , I read all post no matter who responds .  What i say is up to you or anybody to comprehend . The idea is to post , comment and get people fired up , Isn't that is what posting is all about . Some just take it to it's Extreme . I really do sleep good at night , I hope you do also ...

[ProblemAgain]

'If cracked down on them they just skip across the border . Wait a few month and it starts all over again . New cards New Id ....'

absolutely untrue....when illegals are 'cracked down on, they are arrested by the ins and deported. you've been listening to too many bloviating right wing gasbags who spew absolute untruths...kinda like the IDIOT who said for every valedictorian there were 100 illegals who had calves the size of cantaloupes from smuggling in bales of marijuana by carrying it on their backs..you're entitled to your opinions (even if you won't stand up for them) but do try to at least have an educated opinion rather than all those 'feelings' from bumper stickers

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The Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald

Most of the big shore places were closed now and there were hardly any lights except the shadowy, moving glow of a ferryboat across the Sound. And as the moon rose higher the inessential houses began to melt away until gradually I became aware of the old island here that flowered once for Dutch sailors’ eyes—a fresh, green breast of the new world. Its vanished trees, the trees that had made way for Gatsby’s house, had once pandered in whispers to the last and greatest of all human dreams; for a transitory enchanted moment man must have held his breath in the presence of this continent, compelled into an æsthetic contemplation he neither understood nor desired, face to face for the last time in history with something commensurate to his capacity for wonder.

And as I sat there, brooding on the old unknown world, I thought of Gatsby’s wonder when he first picked out the green light at the end of Daisy’s dock. He had come a long way to this blue lawn and his dream must have seemed so close that he could hardly fail to grasp it. He did not know that it was already behind him, somewhere back in that vast obscurity beyond the city, where the dark fields of the republic rolled on under the night.

Gatsby believed in the green light, the orgastic future that year by year recedes before us. It eluded us then, but that’s no matter—tomorrow we will run faster, stretch out our arms farther. . . . And one fine morning——

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

Copyright © 1925 by Charles Scribner’s Sons

[Wayne Goodwin]

I want to read that book . I got it on my Kindle ....

[Kim]

WHY people aren't living their "dream" is partially their OWN fault. I have seen first hand people I have worked with...they smoke (ALOT), drink heavy on the weekends (at bars), spend $120/month or more on PREMIUM cable/satellite, buy gobs of JUNKFOOD for their kids, Fast food combos 2 or 3 times a day, then they either DONT show up for work, tell the boss off, burn their bridges and get fired. And DONT get me started on the girls who "don't know where babies come from". (I'm sorry but if you are BROKE, you probably should find out why you just got pregnant again with #5!!) The thing is THIS: If all those things  is what you love and enjoy about life then AWESOME!! But the ones who are doing the above are very unhappy, young, and generally UNHEALTHY. And this is not my secret observation...it is OBVIOUS!!