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This Not a Damn Game...
Indeed Mr. Speaker this is not, a game, as we head into a weekend of them, games, that is, including the games of the military academies, even if they are not considered essential to the running of government.
So, what is the score? And who is keeping it, the score that is?
It could be hoped that it is the American people that are keeping score, since this is ultimately the people's business. Of course, then again, the people could ask where are we in this game, the beginning, halftime or are we in the two minute offense. Sometimes just knowing the score is not enough, when the game is yet to be all played out.
So, let's get to the chalk talk.
Someone has to compromise, whether it is a blitz or a Hail Mary, something has to get done. The question is when and what will be the terms of what that compromise will be, and who gets the credit and blame, which is really where we are now. The compromise is hard to believe would be just a clean bill without something either attached or agreed to as policy which gives each a fig leaf to the caucuses, now that the members have gone to mattresses. The issue now is the leadership, both parties and the administration, have to decide how much risk they can tolerate to their positions, to cave without caving, to claim victory without victory, to score enough points to end the game, while yet moving the goal posts.
Obama says he will not negotiate, which means congress must. The point being that Obama's statute in the park, ObamaCare can not be touched even though it is being tarnished as we speak.
Reid and Pelosi can watch, with pleasure, as the Republican leadership in the Senate and House are being torn by the whims and ambitions of those that want to be thought of as the most pure of ideologues and do so for their own personal political reasons. For Boehner, it is his speakership that is at risk as are the jobs of the House Republican leadership including the majority leader and the whips.
And someone is going to have to pay the price for all of this, and that will be the American people and the rest of the world.
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Permalink Reply by LoveLife&Laughter on
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Someone is going to have to pay the price for all of this and that will be the GOP, which a majority of this country believe will be a good thing for the American people and the rest of the world.
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Permalink Reply by ProblemAgain on
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i kind of like this comment about the entire political situation...
bp
Alameda, CA
I voted for Bob Dole and donated money to John McCain's 2000 Presidential campaign. Over the last few years I've realized I cannot see myself ever voting for another GOP candidate for the foreseeable future. That party has gone insane.
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Permalink Reply by exedir on
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We've seen insanity, and in Washington. We've seen it at the Navy Yard, in front of the White House and the Capitol steps.
What we are seeing is that what some take as crazy, others take as sane and rational, which is more a matter of opinion than clinical fact. Accusations and innuendos are one thing, actually clinically insanity is another, and at times a dangerous not to recognize the difference.
Mental health and behavior are not just terms for discussion, they are issues of what, wherefore and how to identify, deal and treat, those that are really troubled, unset and full of irrational behavior capable of doing great harm to others and themselves.
The most recent occurrence of the shooting death by the security force of a unarmed woman with a child in her car raises this question of who and what is crazy. The Navy Yard shooting was just only two weeks before this most recent event, and can, in part explain what the White House and Capitol security force thought it was reacting to as a threat.
And yes, it crazy that World War II veterans are kept from visiting their memorial, but as to insane, that is a different issue that shouldn't be just a word and opinion.
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I think anyone(s) who deliberately try to hurt their own country or any other innocent people to prove their point are insane, don't you?
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there is clinical insanity and there is another form...
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
44 unsuccessful attempts to kill 'Obamacare' and the latest one leads to the government shutdown....meanwhile, back at the ranch...
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Their government has failed to keep the doors open and has told federal workers to stay off the job as the political parties fight over spending and health care in austere times.
Now Congress and President Barack Obama are sending this message to the 800,000 sidelined government employees: We don't know when the impasses will end but you will get reimbursed for lost pay once the government reopens.
With the partial shutdown entering its fifth day, the GOP-run House passed a bill Saturday that would make sure the furloughed workers get paid for not working. The White House backs the bill and the Senate was expected to OK it, too, but the timing was unclear.
The 407-0 vote in the House was uniquely bipartisan, even as lawmakers continued their partisan rhetoric.
http://news.yahoo.com/government-doors-closed-workers-may-132449420...
a slight case of sand in the vaseline however is the fact that it is ILLEGAL for obligations to be incurred without being budgeted for....if the workers were going to be paid anyway, this whole set of shenanigans is for naught and merely window dressing for the politics...
143-year-old law puts fear in officials during shutdown
By: Steve Liesman | CNBC Senior Economics Reporter
Getty ImagesA sign marks a closed corridor at the Rotunda of the U.S. Capitol.Administration officials now live in fear of a 19th-century law that could get them fired, penalized or even imprisoned if they make the wrong choices while the government is shut down.
The law is the Antideficiency Act, passed by Congress in 1870 (and amended several times), which prohibits the government from incurring any monetary obligation for which the Congress has not appropriated funds.
In shutting down the government, most memos cite the law as the reason. The Government Accountability Office says employees who violate the Antideficiency Act may be subject to disciplinary action, suspension and even "fines, imprisonment, or both."
Play VideoStocks fall on DC disarrayCNBC's Steve Liesman makes sense of Fed comments, and Vadim Zlotnikov of AllianceBernstein talks about where to put your money amid uncertainty.CNBC has learned that in several executive branch departments, high-level staff members review individual decisions about what government activities to allow for fear of running afoul of the Antideficiency Act. One White House official said he has advised his employees not to check their email or cellphones. Under the act, even volunteering for government service is expressly prohibited.
In a memo to his department employees today, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew cited the law as the reason for reduced staffing.
"For the duration of this impasse, as required by the Antideficiency Act and directed by OMB, the Department will be required to operate with only the minimal staffing level necessary to execute only certain legally exempted activities," Lew wrote.
The only exemptions to the shutdown concern "emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property," according to government documents. That has meant airports and the Postal Service are open, Social Security checks get paid and federal prisons and courts will operate as normal as do most national security functions including the military and the Central Intelligence Agency. But national parks and museums are closed along with big parts of the departments of Education and Commerce
Congress passed the law as part of a struggle—dating back to the nation's founding—for control over the power of the purse. Some presidents, such as Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War, would incur obligations for which Congress had to appropriate funds after the fact.
What is ironic is that Congress in shutting down the government has to at least to some extent given up the power of the purse to the executive branch. Under the broad guidelines of what constitutes an emergency or threat to life or property, OMB now more or less decides what gets funded and what doesn't. But that latitude is limited by the fear of officials that, sometime after the event, a given decision is found to have been in violation of the Antideficiency Act.
we need to pass out the big shoes and rubber noses to these clowns....
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“The American people don’t want a government shutdown, and they don’t want Obamacare,” House Republican leaders said in a statement over the weekend. “We will do our job and send this bill over, and then it’s up to the Senate to pass it and stop a government showdown.”
But the only settled way we know what the American people want is through the democratic process. And the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) is the law of the land. A majority of the House and Senate voted for it, the President signed it into law, its constitutionality has been upheld by the Supreme Court, and a majority of Americans reelected the President after an election battle in which the Affordable Care Act was a central issue.
Moreover, we don’t repeal laws in this country by holding hostage the entire government of the United States.
The bullies are a faction inside the Republican Party – extremists who are threatening more reasonable Republicans with primary challenges if they don’t go along.
And where are the Tea Party extremists getting their dough? From even bigger bullies – a handful of hugely wealthy Americans who are sinking hundreds of millions of dollars into this extortion racket.
They include David and Charles Koch (and their front group, “Americans for Prosperity’); Peter Thiel, leverage-buyout specialist John Childs, investor Howie Rich, Stephen Jackson of the Stevens Group, and executives of JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs, (all behind the “Club for Growth”); and Crow Holdings’ Harlan Crow, shipping magnate Richard Uihlein, and investment banker Foster Friess; executives of MetLife and Philip Morris, and foundations controlled by the Scaife family (all bankrolling “FreedomWorks.”)
Their game plan is to not just to take over the Republican Party. It’s to take over America. The showdown over the budget and the debt ceiling is a prelude to 2016, when they plan to run Texas Senator Ted Cruz for President. (Cruz, if you haven’t noticed, is busily establishing his creds as the biggest flamer in Washington – orchestrating not only the current extortion but also the purge of reasonable Republicans from the GOP.) -
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True 53% don't want Obamacare. We want Universal Healthcare like every other civilized nation.
Wouldn't the Republicans have a hissyfit putting all those insurance company CEOs out of a job LOL...
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look back at the fight for the affordable health care act ....the insurance companies, healthcare companies and etc poured MILLIONS into the fight against it....they didn't stop it but they did succeed in making themselves the package that it comes wrapped in...and that is why tenet corp just bought vanguard for 1.8 BILLION dollars...they can see all the profits down the line from the millions of americans who will be paying premiums to insurance companies masquerading as healthcare companies....
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Shoot, the right was against it when the polls were for Obamacare. Polls are against shutting down the government, sequestration, and not raising the debt ceiling. That doesn't stop the Republicans and their minority politics, does it? They do not represent the majority of the people, only 20-30% extremists.
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and the fight against a social net goes back to the 1800's and further....the 'conservatives' have fought against everything from national parks and women's suffrage thru workplace safety regulations and on till this day...in the days of andrew carnegie, 1 out of every 11 steelworkers died every year... the triangle shirtwaist fire? ...but we don't need that osha shit.....epa? we like the love canal...fda? hey thalidomide gives you lots more genetic options...and everyone could use a little more fecal contamination in their salad and adulterated food products in their diet...the fight against 'obamacare' is just a continuation against the fight against the national health care proposed by teddy roosevelt when he ran for president. course he was a raving socialist since he was against trusts and monopolies...oh wait.....capitalism is about free competition right? but monopolies mean there is no competition like it was with railroads under vanderbilt and banking under morgan and petroleum under rockefeller.....so does that make them socialists? or just unscrupulous robber barons whose devotion to capitalism is based on whether it is lining their pockets or not? and does that make you look at the political stance and contributions of the koch bothers and others in light of the 'what's in it for them' question?
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not a game??? what do you call manufacturing spin by completely altering facts? oh that splains the texas textbook commission too, i guess....we can treat the whole world like the internet and say things are whatever we want to say they are...
WPSD 6 reported the conversation:
Senator Paul began, “Do you have a second?”
“I’m all wired up here, um,” Senator McConnell replied.
“I just did CNN and I just go over and over again ‘We’re willing to compromise. ‘We’re willing to negotiate.’ I think… I don’t think they poll tested we won’t negotiate. I think it’s awful for them to say that over and over again,” Paul said.
“Yeah, I do too and I, and I just came back from that two hour meeting with them and that, and that was basically the same view privately as it was publically,” McConnell agreed.
Paul added, “I think if we keep saying ‘We wanted to defund it. We fought for that and that we’re willing to compromise on this’, I think they can’t, we’re gonna, I think… well I know we don’t want to be here, but we’re gonna win this I think.”
it doesn't matter that for 7 months democrats asked boehner to appoint members of congress to a committee to hammer out the budget and he refused. instead he waited til an hour before shutdown to call for the committee and posed the republican members at an empty table for a photo op for the braindead who failed history 101 and suffer from short term memory loss
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