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The Tea Party explained
"Veteran political observers on both the left and right are still trying to figure out what the House Tea Party caucus and its Senate pied piper Ted Cruz were thinking when they insisted on using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare.
"It was a hopeless strategy that has not only failed in its stated goal, but helped send the Republican Party to its lowest favorability ratings ever.
"In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they'll try anything to bring that about.
"And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it."
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Permalink Reply by ProblemAgain on
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great idea.....form your own teaparty party.....
Molly Ball of the Atlantic recounts the quasi-mutinous musings of various conservative luminaries, like Glenn Beck of TheBlaze, Erick Erickson of RedState.com, and Sean Hannity of Fox News, among others. As recently as 2010, the notion that the Tea Party movement would bolt from the GOP to establish a party of its own would have seemed absurd. But now, in the wake of a fiscal showdown that's proven to be an utter fiasco for congressional Republicans, the idea of a bona fide divorce is gaining credence. Among the Tea Party faithful, there is a widespread conviction that the effort to defund Obamacare would have proven successful had Speaker Boehner and his anxious allies been tougher, and more willing to risk breaching the debt ceiling. Republican regulars, meanwhile, are largely convinced that the defund Obamacare effort was a hopeless indulgence that exacted a real political cost. At least one critic of the Tea Party movement, David Frum of the Daily Beast and CNN, has argued that Republicans would benefit if "the Sarah Palins and the Ted Cruzes who have done so much harm to their hopes over the past three election cycles" were to bolt.
http://news.yahoo.com/column-instead-divorce-gop-needs-primary-refo...
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Permalink Reply by base2final on
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And this has what to do with the content of the original post?
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t'would tickle me greatly to see a party all gooey and cozy with glenn beck, sarah palin and ted cruz.....the greater nimrods group where real facts don't count, where real world is superceded by what if ruminations of cartoons and where political whores like ted cruz can be counted on to lead the parade with big shoes and a rubber nose....but wait! a question? if the popularly held notion among teaparty members is that barack obama was not a legitimate president because of his parentage (his daddy being kenyan) or birthplace ( it was hawaii but even if it was kenya, long as his mama was an american from kansas), then would not the same beliefs disqualify ted cruz? or does he get a pass cause he parrots the bumper stickers on your truck?
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oh and there are north of 800,000 americans who want to thank ted cruz for rendering THEM unemployed because of the shutdown.....
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You mean like the federal employees who will receive back pay, and were basically on a 2 week vacation? I would thank Cruz also if I were them!
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well done.....you adroitly ignore the question of cruz's parentage and birthplace vis a vis obamas and the teaparty screeching about who is a real american. plus you essentially sidestep the people rendered unemployed by the shutdown with an addlepated bumpersticker from the nimrod group. and this from the person who purports to be a deep thinker and opines about what are really the important issues....silly cod as usual..
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"and we don't have the word 'quit' in our vocabulary...or lots of other words either" says sarah palin who quit before her terms expired as mayor of wasilla and governor of alaska in order to pursue her own ambitions....
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ahhhh yes the famous 'RINO' designation....meaning no one is allowed to believe anything different than the teaparty mantra and still be a republican.....but interesting to see that ms palin seems to have acquired a modicum of geographic knowledge since she left alaska...
Shutdown showdown widened GOP-tea party rift
By LAURIE KELLMAN 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republicans' clear defeat in the budget-debt brawl has widened the rift between the Grand Old Party and the blossoming tea party movement that helped revive it.
Implored by House Speaker John Boehner to unite and "fight another day" against President Barack Obama and Democrats, Republicans instead intensified attacks on one another, an ominous sign in advance of more difficult policy fights and the 2014 midterm elections.
The tea party movement spawned by the passage of Obama's health care overhaul three years ago put the GOP back in charge of the House and in hot pursuit of the law's repeal. The effort hit a wall this month in the budget and debt fight, but tea partyers promised to keep up the effort.
Whatever the future of the troubled law, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell vowed he would not permit another government shutdown.
"I think we have now fully acquainted our new members with what a losing strategy that is," McConnell said in an interview with The Hill newspaper.
Tea party Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas told ABC News he wouldn't rule out using the tactic again, when the same budget and debt questions come up next year.
"I will continue to do anything I can to stop the train wreck that is Obamacare," Cruz said.
That divide defined the warring Republican factions ahead of the midterm elections, when 35 seats in the Democratic-controlled Senate and all 435 seats in the Republican-dominated House will be on the ballot. In the nearer term, difficult debates over immigration and farm policy loom, along with another round of budget and debt talks.
The animosity only intensified as lawmakers fled Washington this week for a few days' rest.
The Twitterverse crackled with threats, insults and the names of the 27 GOP senators and 87 GOP House members who voted for the leadership's agreement that reopened the government and raised the nation's borrowing limit. Republicans got none of their demands, keeping only the spending cuts they had won in 2011.
Within hours, TeaParty.net tweeted a link to the 114 lawmakers, tagging each as a Republican in name only who should be turned out of office: "Your 2014 #RINO hunting list!"
"We shouldn't have to put up with fake conservatives like Mitch McConnell," read a fundraising letter Thursday from the Tea Party Victory Fund Inc.
Another group, the Senate Conservatives Fund, announced it was endorsing McConnell's GOP opponent, Louisville, Ky., businessman Matt Bevin.
"Mitch McConnell has the support of the entire Washington establishment and he will do anything to hold on to power," the group, which raised nearly $2 million for tea party candidates in last year's elections, announced. "But if people in Kentucky and all across the country rise up and demand something better, we're confident Matt Bevin can win this race."
The same group pivoted to the Mississippi Senate race, where Republican Thad Cochran is weighing whether to seek a seventh term. Cochran voted for the McConnell-Reid deal, so the Senate Conservatives Fund endorsed a primary opponent, state Sen. Chris McDaniel, a private attorney the group says "will fight to stop Obamacare," ''is not part of the Washington establishment" and "has the courage to stand up to the big spenders in both parties."
There were more tea party targets: Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham in South Carolina and Lamar Alexander in Tennessee also are seeking re-election.
To her Facebook friends, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin posted: "We're going to shake things up in 2014. Rest well tonight, for soon we must focus on important House and Senate races. Let's start with Kentucky — which happens to be awfully close to South Carolina, Tennessee and Mississippi."
http://news.yahoo.com/shutdown-showdown-widened-gop-tea-party-rift-...
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Permalink Reply by exedir on
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Fighting the good fight...it is the cause and not the results that motivates the movement and the people in it. And yes, it is a dangerous formula that seeks to expose a grievance, not a solution in that the point of the process is to strike against the oppressors however they are defined, because there is a "they" that is against an "us".
In another word's, this is a psychology not a politic, a belief that leads to a behavior which doesn't seek anything but a redress, a redress that on balance makes no sense, even if obtained.
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Permalink Reply by LoveLife&Laughter on
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You are right.
Reasonable people know the Civil War is over, but it's only been ~150 years. Typically it takes more generations then that to redress cultural grievances.
Just for kicks, let's say the Tea Party won the whole shebang -- lock, stock, and barrel. No taxes, no government, no public schools. Just fundamentalist Christian Taliban's roaming the streets with their Bush Masters executing heretics in the football stadiums.
Lets face it, the right have no end plan. If you'all got the Government, what would you do with it?
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Well...then educate them.
Maybe they wouldn't have shut down the government if somebody was able to explain to them that shutting down the government couldn't shut down Obamacare.
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and you can always bone up on their issues....
bet if you subscribe to the newsletter, they give you free tips for getting charcoal stains and smoke out of your sheets
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