Proof beyond doubt

[base2final]

Do you remember the President saying "if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan.........PERIOD  If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.......PERIOD  ALL the time when you say period, there is no more. That's the sum total......period.

Well now the President is saying that that's not what he said. Don't believe you lying ears and don't believe your lying eyes. He said what he said was  you can keep it if it hasn't changed since the law passed. OOPS NO HE DIDN'T. It's a lie. The audio and the video prove it. This man is so dishonest that even when he is on film he will lie to us about it. 

This is proof beyond a doubt, So what else has he lied to us about? Benghazi? Fast and Furious> The NSA spying? The IRS targeting certain groups? The FBI going after the AP and James Rosen?

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-denies-saying-you-can-keep-yo...

 

[LoveLife&Laughter]

 "Now I'm not only racist, I am a lying bigot teabagger."  base2final 

The Washington Examiner is a political journalism publication based in Washington, D.C., that distributes its content via daily online reports and a weekly magazine.  It is owned by MediaDC,  a subsidiary of Clarity Media Group,  which is owned by Denver billionaire Philip Anschutz and which also owns the influential conservative opinion magazine The Weekly Standard. From 2005 to mid-2013, the Examiner published a daily tabloid-sized newspaper, distributed free throughout the Washington, D.C., metro area, largely focused on local news and conservative commentary.  The local newspaper ceased publication on June 14, 2013, and its content began to focus exclusively on national politics, switching its print edition from a daily newspaper to a weekly magazine format.  

The publication now known as the Washington Examiner began its life as a handful of suburban news outlets known as the Journal Newspapers, distributed only in the suburbs of Washington, under the titles of Montgomery Journal, Prince George's Journal, and Northern Virginia Journal.  Anschutz purchased the parent company, Journal Newspapers Inc., in October 2004.  On February 1 of the following year, the paper's name changed to The Washington Examiner, and it adopted a logo and format similar to that of another newspaper then owned by Anschutz, the San Francisco Examiner. 

“Desperate right-wing tilt editorial pages and sensationalist front-page headlines"  

 

[A4L]

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21222195-obama-a...

"By Lisa Myers and Hannah Rappleye, NBC News

President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC News that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”  

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.

Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said  Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.

The White House does not dispute that many in the individual market will lose their current coverage, but argues they will be offered better coverage in its place, and that many will get tax subsidies that would offset any increased costs."

That's how the article begins anyway.

[exedir]

So, who is relying on a previous operative statements?  And no, it is not a lie, it is what is, is, mostly.

[LoveLife&Laughter]

I don't think the President lied, he was mistaken -- but just about everyone else think he lied  

Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire...

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-5-2013/affordable-ho...

[A4L]

This talks about the phrase Dr. Ben Carson used regarding Vladimir Lenin. Carson didn't make it up, but it does appear questionable as to whether it is a quote from Lenin. Carson could have gleaned it from a number of places.

http://books.google.com/books?id=UEGLO9YUecEC&pg=PA92&lpg=P...

[ProblemAgain]

"The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.” "

funny this but really a tempest in a teapot. notice that 'because of normal turnover'? in other words, the persons with those policies would have changed with or without the ACA. and the portion that says if the policy has significantly changed? otherwise you end up with situations like california with prop. 13 that grandfathered in lower property taxes on buildings that predated a certain time. the loophole was that a portion of the building had to remain intact to have that grandfather status. thus there were people who would demolish an old residence saving only the electrical wall and build a mcmansion around that electrical wall and still have property taxes under the old laws and rates. obama may have misspoken but the problem is also the overlap and interface between private enterprise and the government. the govt does not control private enterprise but merely attempts to regulate it (witness the problems A4L's daughter had with the car dealer). the govt can't make the insurance company offer a policy but it can enforce a law that a policy has to meet certain specifications to be offered. and no matter what anyone says whether they offer a policy at all is a function of the freedom of our capitalist economic system. some companies have opted out of certain markets...and some small markets have never been wellserved to begin with so rates will vary depending on the locale because of the availability of goods and services and the number of competitors. it's a big fluid world out there so don't hold the govt responsible for the decisions of insurance companies

[ProblemAgain]

oh and by the by for the dimwitted...(you know who you are) the analogy with the cal. prop 13 is a simile showing what people WILL do if they are left loopholes to take advantage of a situation. so without the law reading as it does, insurance companies could essentially continue to offer crap policies and change policies as much as they wanted keeping only the policy number and the person being insured to grandfather in the policy. sly buggers so you know they would

[A4L]

"the govt can't make the insurance company offer a policy but it can enforce a law that a policy has to meet certain specifications to be offered. and no matter what anyone says whether they offer a policy at all is a function of the freedom of our capitalist economic system."-Problem

But We no longer have the freedom to opt out of insurance.

And I assume you heard that the president was cautioned that they could not keep that promise "at the time" but he chose to continue to make those statements. At least that is what I heard. And it makes sense because the people that wrote the regulations had to have at least an inkling of knowledge that the insurance companies would not be able to keep the same policies because they would not comply to the new regulations.

Why repeat that statement if it was not deemed important to say? And where does the idea of integrity and truthfulness start and stop? If you can give me the "fair rules" that will apply to "All people equally" I will find that most helpful. If this was a policy that you abhorred would it make any difference to you (I'm speaking generally) ?

So, it is hard for me to believe that "misspoke" is a good representation of what happened. But I will always be happy to accept that I am wrong if we can seriously get to the truth of things.

[LoveLife&Laughter]

"But We no longer have the freedom to opt out of insurance."

The way the old system was going many of us were not going to have the freedom to get insurance.

I suspect you want insurance for your family...am I wrong?

[A4L]

You are not wrong. I do.

I do not believe that only one way exists in how to address these issues.

So I support your point of view in regards to the need for something to be done. And I support your advocacy for that which you think is right.

I just think that just like in a relationship or even in a pot of stew, certain ingredients will improve the taste, but pouring an entire jar of salt in the mix could diminish the best results. It is still about finesse and balance and at the core of a good government, virtue and truth are not irrelevant.

[LoveLife&Laughter]

Good government like universal healthcare in every country except us where greed trumps common sense?

It is the way, too bad we couldn't get rid of the very-expensive middleman insurance companies that have unilaterally made American Healthcare a laughing stock to the rest of the world.

What is wrong with TPs that they can't understand that very simple premise?

[LoveLife&Laughter]

Maybe religiosity only understands parables:

A young couple moves into a new neighborhood. The next morning while they are eating breakfast, the young woman sees her neighbor hanging the wash outside. "That laundry is not very clean; she doesn't know how to wash correctly. Perhaps she needs better laundry soap." Her husband looks on, remaining silent. Every time her neighbor hangs her wash to dry, the young woman makes the same comments.

A month later, the woman is surprised to see a nice clean wash on the line and says to her husband: "Look, she's finally learned how to wash correctly. I wonder who taught her this? " The husband replies, "I got up early this morning and cleaned our windows."

And so it is with life... What we see when watching others depends on the clarity of the window through which we look