ok here's a tough one .. - TBD2024-03-29T00:39:50Zhttp://teebeedee.ning.com/forum/topics/ok-here-s-a-tough-one?groupUrl=dramady&commentId=1991841%3AComment%3A1715684&groupId=1991841%3AGroup%3A1431923&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhat Madison meant by "the pe…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17156842014-09-19T19:58:14.887ZP.A.http://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/pickleallen
What Madison meant by "the people" is all of the people in common could hold the weapons in a magazine. Guns owned by individuals were not military weapons. By the seventeen nineties most hunting guns were rifles not muskets. Rifles were much more accurate but took too long to load to make good military weapons. Pistols were often carried for protection but we're extremely inaccurate. The 9th amendment covers the right to own and carry such weapons.
What Madison meant by "the people" is all of the people in common could hold the weapons in a magazine. Guns owned by individuals were not military weapons. By the seventeen nineties most hunting guns were rifles not muskets. Rifles were much more accurate but took too long to load to make good military weapons. Pistols were often carried for protection but we're extremely inaccurate. The 9th amendment covers the right to own and carry such weapons. you're probably right lifey a…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17157572014-09-19T19:47:21.712Zfrenchyhttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/frenchy160
<p>you're probably right lifey and thats a scary thought too .. but just the idea that there are millions of people out there who do own guns and won't just give them up might be enough to give any politician pause before they decide to go bad .. and while some in the army might just blindly follow orders some might not . the whole scenario would be horrific but i think most would prefer the choice of fightin back then to be marched off to some death chamber like hitler did to anyone who wasn't…</p>
<p>you're probably right lifey and thats a scary thought too .. but just the idea that there are millions of people out there who do own guns and won't just give them up might be enough to give any politician pause before they decide to go bad .. and while some in the army might just blindly follow orders some might not . the whole scenario would be horrific but i think most would prefer the choice of fightin back then to be marched off to some death chamber like hitler did to anyone who wasn't in lockstep with him .. i'm hopin it never ever happens but in the meantime the guns are here and the original point of this post was if children should be educated about guns .. and i'm aware that some are dead set against that .. i can agree with them as far as not wantin their kids on a gun range .. but i think that gun safety is somethin that should be taught to everyone , startin with kids right on up to adults .. we'll still have bad guys with guns , and crazies with guns , but the amount of accidental shootins will go down for sure .. i doubt they'll all disappear for good any more than i think education about traffic safety will eliminate car accidents .. but its a good place to start and any decline in gun mishaps should be welcomed .. </p> to keep and bear arms shall n…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17157562014-09-19T19:32:18.503Zfrenchyhttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/frenchy160
<p>to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed .. and the muskets as opposed to automatic weapons was what i was referin to p.a. .. you got it right away ..and not all muskets were guarded .. some were in the public magazine also but most everybody owned one and none of those to my knowledge were taken away .. and the term the people as i always understood it meant just that .. all the people .. not some of the people .. or certain people .. if that was implied then i'm sure it would say who…</p>
<p>to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed .. and the muskets as opposed to automatic weapons was what i was referin to p.a. .. you got it right away ..and not all muskets were guarded .. some were in the public magazine also but most everybody owned one and none of those to my knowledge were taken away .. and the term the people as i always understood it meant just that .. all the people .. not some of the people .. or certain people .. if that was implied then i'm sure it would say who THOSE PEOPLE WERE AND WERE NOT . no such distinction was made that i'm aware of .. and i agree about james madison .. who knew what the future would bring ?? but i'm sure he was glad that some americans did have their own guns when the brits invaded in 1812 .. they still burned washington dc anyway tho .. i'm bettin at that moment he was wishin there were even more americans that were armed to meet them .. just a guess tho .. </p> I agree, Lifesighs. I think…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17155342014-09-19T17:12:55.164Zgrammykhttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/grammyk
<p>I agree, Lifesighs. I think we're way past the time when an armed militia could take on the federal government although I fully realize that they are expecting to do so and think they will win.</p>
<p>I agree, Lifesighs. I think we're way past the time when an armed militia could take on the federal government although I fully realize that they are expecting to do so and think they will win.</p> I think a well regulated mili…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17156792014-09-19T16:57:19.264ZLifesighshttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/Lifesighs
<p>I think a well regulated militia would be slaughtered by our government with all the weapons our government has produced. There is so much power in our war machine that any bunch of resistance fighters would be a puff of smoke. The whole concept is ridiculous in this day and time. I am not saying our government can't go bad, in fact I think it's 60% that way now but all the cowboys who want to resist with guns will have a big surprise waiting.</p>
<p>I think a well regulated militia would be slaughtered by our government with all the weapons our government has produced. There is so much power in our war machine that any bunch of resistance fighters would be a puff of smoke. The whole concept is ridiculous in this day and time. I am not saying our government can't go bad, in fact I think it's 60% that way now but all the cowboys who want to resist with guns will have a big surprise waiting.</p> Thank you, P.A.! Great post!…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17155282014-09-19T16:31:43.960Zgrammykhttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/grammyk
<p>Thank you, P.A.! Great post! A well-regulated militia does not equal allowing anybody who wants to to carry and use an automatic weapon. In my opinion, anyway, which is pretty much meaningless overall!</p>
<p>Thank you, P.A.! Great post! A well-regulated militia does not equal allowing anybody who wants to to carry and use an automatic weapon. In my opinion, anyway, which is pretty much meaningless overall!</p> A well regulated militia bein…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17156002014-09-19T13:54:44.641ZP.A.http://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/pickleallen
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the "people" to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. Yes I know the second amendment by heart. What part of "a well regulated militia" do people not understand. When this was written in 1791 there were only mussel loading single shot muskets. Which by the way were kept in a public magazine which was always guarded. The use of the term "the people" which is plural points to keeping weapons of war in a…
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the "people" to keep and bare arms shall not be infringed. Yes I know the second amendment by heart. What part of "a well regulated militia" do people not understand. When this was written in 1791 there were only mussel loading single shot muskets. Which by the way were kept in a public magazine which was always guarded. The use of the term "the people" which is plural points to keeping weapons of war in a guarded magazine for use if needed, not carried around all of the time.<br />
People were free to have hunting guns at home or with them. This was protected by the 9th amendment not the second. James Madison was a brilliant man but he could not see 200 years into the future but people today should be able to look back and see what was intended. well my 2 cents is this , a l…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17155942014-09-19T10:17:55.620Zfrenchyhttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/frenchy160
<p>well my 2 cents is this , a lot of people think that gun ownership is for huntin .. and it is .. but the way the constitution was written the right to bear arms was put in there to be able to oppose an oppressive government .. now it doesn't say anything at all about automatic weapons and thats the fly in the ointment because we have to try to take what was written over 200 years ago and try to apply it to today .. we have plenty of laws like that where technology has outpaced the way they…</p>
<p>well my 2 cents is this , a lot of people think that gun ownership is for huntin .. and it is .. but the way the constitution was written the right to bear arms was put in there to be able to oppose an oppressive government .. now it doesn't say anything at all about automatic weapons and thats the fly in the ointment because we have to try to take what was written over 200 years ago and try to apply it to today .. we have plenty of laws like that where technology has outpaced the way they were originally written .. should we scrap the constitution and rewright the whole thing ?? to me thats a scary idea .. i'm not crazy about a bunch of yahoo cowboys armed to the teeth with automatic weapons runnin loose around the neighborhood after a family barbque with 9 kegs of beer .. but i'm also not crazy about a gubment who can do whatever they please with not a hint of resistance because we don't have any weapons to oppose them .. if you think it can't happen then read up on nazi germany and get back to me . in the meantime we have weapons here in the usa .. always have from the time the pilgrims landed and i don't see that changin .. if it does then again read up on nazi germany and get back to me .. but by then we'll be in a shitload of trouble .. now i don't believe that everybody should go around packin where ever they go . but in your own home i see no reason not to own a gun when you consider what can happen if someone should break in .. because if it does happen the police can't and won't save you .. and thats a statistic you can look up .. they'll be there to write up the paperwork afterwards and do an investigation .. so with all that in mind ownin a gun and knowin how to use it properly could possibly save your life one day .. and while i don't condone parents pushin their kids into gun totin before they're ready i do condone parents and elders , and teachers at least instructin kids about the hazzards of guns if they're used in the wrong ways , and not to play with them .. EVER .. cause they're not toys .. and should never be portrayed in that manner .. EVER .. there are millions of responsible gun owners in the usa , just like there are millions of responsible drivers , but sadly there are a small number of irresponsible gun owners and drivers and those few cast a giant shadow over the responsible majority .. and you can't do away with cars because some hot head got a serious case of road rage and endangered everybody on route 80 .. the same applies to guns .. i know for some its an uneasy alliance , but its an alliance thats kept this country free for over 200 years .. some will try to argue it had nothin to do with guns but i'd have to disagree .. over 200 years and still free .. why mess with success ?? </p> I too used guns and hunted at…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17154322014-09-19T02:07:49.410ZShadowmanhttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/Shadowman
<p>I too used guns and hunted at a very, very young age and I still hunt deer. However, it perhaps says something about where our culture has come to be when even the children are enculturated to take pleasure in using things designed to kill. A very sad story.</p>
<p>I too used guns and hunted at a very, very young age and I still hunt deer. However, it perhaps says something about where our culture has come to be when even the children are enculturated to take pleasure in using things designed to kill. A very sad story.</p> First gun I ever fired was a…tag:teebeedee.ning.com,2014-09-19:1991841:Comment:17155812014-09-19T01:22:36.299ZSnagghttp://teebeedee.ning.com/profile/DavidCarltonHustava
<p>First gun I ever fired was a ten-gauge shotgun that weighed about thirty pounds. I was six years old, for chrissakes - My dad and uncle thought it would be "funny" to have a little kid who could barely pick the damn thing up, take a shot at a target. So they set me up with an old, empty, five-gallon Mobil Oil can about twenty feet away, and jeered and yelled at me until I managed to lift the shotgun long enough to sight the can and pull the trigger. The kick dislocated my shoulder and…</p>
<p>First gun I ever fired was a ten-gauge shotgun that weighed about thirty pounds. I was six years old, for chrissakes - My dad and uncle thought it would be "funny" to have a little kid who could barely pick the damn thing up, take a shot at a target. So they set me up with an old, empty, five-gallon Mobil Oil can about twenty feet away, and jeered and yelled at me until I managed to lift the shotgun long enough to sight the can and pull the trigger. The kick dislocated my shoulder and knocked me flat on my back. I had to be taken to a hospital to have my shoulder popped back into placet - But I bullseyed the can. Blew it to shreds, and that was all they cared about - They slapped me on the back for a month afterwards. All I thought was that if this macho bullshit was "gun culture", they could f*ckin' keep it.</p>